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Posted by Rory_Stark on 2005-01-17 22:06:21 +0000

Kennedy is still pissed about being tooled on no child left behind.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-01-17 22:21:02 +0000

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12450-2005Jan15.html?sub=AR] It gets better/worse:[/url] "President Bush said the public's decision to reelect him was a ratification of his approach toward Iraq and that there was no reason to hold any administration officials accountable for mistakes or misjudgments in prewar planning or managing the violent aftermath. "'We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections,' Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. 'The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me.'" What planet is Bush on? How detached can a person with such huge responsibilities possibly be? Honestly, I'm numb...

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-18 01:56:51 +0000

Kennedy has the stones to question the morality of being in Iraq (or anything else for that matter) Nice! _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by tgl on 2005-01-18 15:40:02 +0000

I see, since I once stole gum from a 7-11 I'm not allowed to have an opinion on the Iraq War? Here's an ineqaulity for you: drunk driving and killing your passenger does not equal launching an unneccessary war without proper planning that has resulted in the loss of life to ~20,000 people. Can we get past the ad hominem attacks? I agree that Ted Kennedy is not an ideal role model. Forgetting about who said it, is there anything in Teddy K's remarks that are demonstrably _wrong_? No.

Posted by tgl on 2005-01-18 15:47:36 +0000

MFGR's (My Favorite Gay Republican's) response is pretty on the mark.

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-18 15:59:34 +0000

You can have all the opinions you want, I just dont take too much stock in what Ted Kennedy says in anthing, but thats just me... _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by tgl on 2005-01-18 16:07:52 +0000

"The policy is ridiculous." "The policy is blunder after blunder." Yeah, clearly the thoughts of a lunatic.

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-18 18:35:10 +0000

It would be interesting to see what a "regime" controlled by Ted Kennedy would operate like. _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by tgl on 2005-01-18 19:11:14 +0000

Cocktail hour would start at 3pm!

Posted by tgl on 2005-01-18 19:13:08 +0000

Screw that... noon.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-01-19 04:09:28 +0000

There should be valid and sound logic in opinions...

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-19 11:48:30 +0000

Some things aren't solved by logic Dr. Spock :) _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-01-19 14:15:44 +0000

You're spending too much time with your baby, rladew...

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-19 16:06:25 +0000

point well taken... _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-19 16:08:49 +0000

I meant Spock from Star Trek, not the pediatric guru... oh well. _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by tgl on 2005-01-19 16:19:38 +0000

How many new parents have administered the Vulcan Nerve Pinch to their young ones beleaguered by this Dr./Mr. Spock mixup? Oh, the humanity.

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-19 16:56:21 +0000

I've heard the CTRL+ALT+DEL routine referred to as "the vulcan nerve pinch" BTW.... (Now that we're TOTALLY off subject...) _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-19 17:23:38 +0000

BTW if this is true that I have to have valid reason and logic in my opinions, I have to stop listening to ODB, John Zorn, Hall and Oates, reading the Drudge Report, watching that weird Japanese game show on Spike TV, etc etc. _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-01-19 17:40:52 +0000

you mean the three fingered salute?

Posted by frame609 on 2005-01-19 18:38:06 +0000

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-01-20 00:53:59 +0000

Not true, rladew. To say that John Zorn is the greatest musician of all time, and then say you DO NOT like him, but you do like music, is not logical. If you like them for some valid reason, don't stop listening/watching them. If you say you like them because "wdchgyuj3487dhuwc" means nothing, because "wdchgyuj3487dhuwc" means nothing. PA-180 Elementary Logic. Spring of '95. Great class.

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-20 17:18:37 +0000

I never was good with this stuff.... I'm sure if we were talking in person about this I could try and understand it better. For me, (and I have no f#$#$%N clue how this applies to textbook logic or philosophy) If I hear something I like, I dont always have a textbook defined reason - refer to the discussion TGL and I had about whether something "rocks" or not. Sometimes to my ears (or eyes or whatever) it just does. True, I cant win any debates with an argument like this or use it an empirical/ scientific way, but If you think human beings in America will base all of their decisions on specific valid logical arguments, I would beg to differ. sayin' _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa

Posted by tgl on 2005-01-20 17:40:29 +0000

In my mind there is a BIG difference between musical taste and US foreign policy. rladew, you had a list of actions that taken together might seem illogical, Hall & Oates plus Zorn? I think dawnbixtler was wishing for US foreign policy that somehow logically connected foreign adventurism and homeland security, as an example. You are right, Americans do not make decisions based on logical self-interest or reasoning. Why would anyone buy a Hummer? Forty Jandek albums? What's sorta ironic in these early years of the 22nd Century is that it's conservatives that are more swayed by "faith" and "feelings", and liberals are standing around screaming "Look At The Facts, Man!" (I don't have a clue what dawn's post on textbook logic meant either).

Posted by rladew on 2005-01-20 20:44:56 +0000

Point well Taken about politics and music... My initial reaction was to the following statement, though: "There should be valid and sound logic in opinions... " Granted, this is POLITIK... but still... _______________________________ Jazz is not dead...it just smells funny. - F. Zappa