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Posted by G lib on 2005-05-17 13:47:54 +0000

G Lib says that it's okay for Universities to close libraries.

My friend Steve-O wrote me this email: [i]I read this article about the closing of a U Texas undergraduate libraryin favor of an electronic facility. It disturbed me, but a bunch of people thought it was a good idea. My worry is that the move is reflective of the dumbed-down shift to on-demand information, rather than serious research. For research students, the added facility would be a good ting, but I don't see it as a good move for undergraduates....[/i] link to the NYT [i]Anyway, you're a librarian. What do you think?[/i] ________________________________________ The Librarian weighs in: What, are you saying that online research (ie. getting full-text journal articles) isn't in-depth research? On-demand information is fantastic, in my opinion. if you're looking for a journal article, why not find it online in your pjs rather than having to hoof it to the library and copy it? I feel that most research, both online and paper-based, ends up as a pile of A4 (in your case) sized paper sitting at your desk. Photocopies or printouts, it doesn't matter much. However, there are a few main problems with online research in general: 1. The Interweb is NOT AUTHORATATIVE!!!! Some students just don't get the difference betwen journals online and some guy spewing crap that you found by searching google. Here's a rule of thumb: . Journals on the interweb, chosen password protected and purchased by librarians= research. www.mattsgaragelibrarydictionary.com = not reseearch . 2. Plagiarism-- PChippy finds it ALL of the time, and probably misses even more. . 3. Online resources might go away if someone pulls the plug or there is a virus. Someone has to keep a paper backup copy someplace. Also, online companies have been known to discontinue journals and just dump all of the old issues. . 4. Libraries don't 'own' back issues of journals. If you don't pay your subscription fee, you're up shit's creek. You don't even have access to the old stuff. . 5. Online subscriptions are ridiculously expensive, forcing libraries to close facilities. However, Harvard closed a library recently, but it was a library that replicated almost exactly the same information in another library at Harvard. i.e. it was a library of convenience. Am I sad people lost their jobs? yes. Am I sad that they got rid of a library of convenience for another library of convenience online? no. . My point-- Librarians provide access to information in many forms, and always have. Old librarians might not have the ability to move with the times and work with online material, but who is deciding what journals/resources are being bought for the online library? Librarians. . However, I deal with the old stuff, all of which comes on paper, so what do I know? . G Lib . PS This is a [i]very[/i] oversimplified version of how I actually feel.

Posted by G lib on 2005-05-18 13:49:54 +0000
No one wants to respond to my post? . Not even [b]HONAR THE LIBRARIAN???[/b] . ________________ The Boot Knife of Mild Reason

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-05-18 15:16:56 +0000
Fine. Whatever. Part of me wants to go line by line through the article, what your friend said, and what you replied, and discuss in detail the way each speaks to different but related topics without identifying the point of divergence, at which point I might draw some sort of conclusion before adding my own 2 cents, but I'm trying to come up with a Dewey number for a book of confectionery and wine-making recipes, and I really do have to be vaguely productive, and I'm wicked hungry. So, the short version: First off, most journal articles are exhibit A for "the dumbed-down shift" of higher ed in general, and I'm not sure how skimming a zillion pages of anything without really reading it or any of the source material is scholarship. Secondly, I basically agree with your points on on-line "research," but since its pretty clear that research in common parlance and scholarly research aren't the same thing, I don't worry about it too much. Thirdly, I doubt it really matters all that much in the long run, given my cup runneth over optimism in the human ability to create meaning out of very little, and my suspicion of our cultural imperative to find the "Truth" when the important part is probably only that we don't become horribly depressed just thinking about how pointless it all is.

Posted by tgl on 2005-05-18 15:30:33 +0000
Damn. Well, my day just went down the shitter.

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2005-05-18 17:39:08 +0000
[img]http://aintitcoolnews.com/image/hgttg-marvin.jpg[/img] Life, don't talk to me about life.

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-05-18 20:46:05 +0000
My day actually got a lot better once I remembered the Dewey rule of twos. Although now I do have this slight fear that I've reinforced the stereotype of librarians as sour shushing creatures. I bet a couple of cocktails will fix that.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-05-18 20:50:03 +0000
Wait. Honor, you drink?

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-05-18 20:55:40 +0000
Shush, you.

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