Germans, houseguests, and WW2
My sister (Schwanger) lives in one of the coolest cities I've ever been to. It's an intense place, the capitol of Germany, it has all of the WW2 history, the wall coming directly down the middle of the city which only came down in 1989, a very environmentalist feel, an urban/green party sense, but a very strong sense of guilt underlying the progressive nature of the place.
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Last summer, Beckybunny and I had a houseguest, who was (what Chippy liked to describe as) my brother-in-law's brother-in-law's colleague. "Elmer Fudd" told us about how the popular sentiment in Germany is that people don't display their pride in being German. It's only recently that one politician has said some tempered statement to that effect-- but qualified and understated and as mild as can be. "Proud to be an American" bumpersticker is not within their realm of understanding. And this guy got in trouble.
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Elmer described the situation as something like (and I was in full party mode at the time, so correct me if I'm wrong) as the politician saying, "well, Germany isn't a bad place, we are pretty tolerant, are pretty diverse at this point, we take care of our land and the Earth, and despite our rough history, right now is an OK time to live in this land, but we mustn't forget our past."
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We have not been the only guests in the casa di Blumcagni over the past few days, there was a woman from other sister's program who's moving to Berlin, and then a friend of my father's who visited with his daughter.
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My father's friend, a German national, was a child during WW2, living in Berlin, and told us some fantastic stories when we were having lunch together one afternoon.
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He was a child during the war. He watched the city burning from his stoop when he was five. His father, who was in the nazi army, had been killed a few years earlier, so it was just 3 little boys and his mom, trying to make their way.
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He described being evacuated from his building while the city was being bombed, after the Russians had liberated the section of the city. To make sure they were able to keep the apartment they were living in, he and his family had to walk 10 miles, hop a freight train, and his mom had to go off into the bushes with a Russian soldier to make sure they made it back to their apartment before it was claimed by someone else. And their experience was completely normal-- only difference was that most of their neighbors lost their apartments, either due to bombs or looting or squatting.
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He remembers Germans hiding their teenage daughters in attics to keep them away from the Russian soldiers-- he thought that rape was part of the 'spoils of war' for the Russians.
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But, he said, the Russians loved children. He remembers standing with his brothers next to a barbed wire fence, accepting soup and bread from the Russian soldiers through the fence. They were starving, literally, so this is the way they survived.
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A few years later, during the occupation, his mom was 'dragged' to a dance with one of her friends, and met an American soldier there. They formed a relationship that he (the soldier) thought was temporary. My dad's friend and his family moved from base town to base town with this man until he was called back to the states. i.e. he supported them, she was kind of his mistress.
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He got called home, and after a while, he realized that he missed her enough to send for her and the boys. He wrote her a letter asking her to come. But when they got there, it was 'no more German' for the family. My father's friend was 13.
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Listening to this story, I saw pure raw anger on his face-- toward his step-father, his mother for being desperate enough to follow this man that didn't treat her very well, toward the Russians for raping his mom.
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I was relaying this story to my brother-in-law as we were walking from one the beach bar (beach chairs, sand, and reggae music next to the river) to a beer garten (800 picnic tables, LOTS of beer) one night. I talked about how I had no idea how bad the Russians were to the Germans after the war, and how awful that must have been to the Germans who made it through the war.
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My B-i-L gently reminded me about how there's never an easy answer, not all of the Russians were bad, there were just a few bad eggs, and that all human interaction is nuanced. He reminded me that this was war-time, and the people left there were part of the Nazi party.
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My immediate thoughts was-- Abu Graib, Gitmo, and how the world sees the US, versus how we're not ALL, bad, are we? There are just a few Lindy Englands in the army, not all of us throw Korans into toilets?
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And then my second thought was-- the Russians weren't as bad as the Nazis, were they?
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And then my third thought was-- my friend's father was a Nazi.
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Just that word brought up boiled anger, a reeking mass of bile (or was it just too much beer?) towards Germans in general.
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I was too upset to talk, but B-in-Law managed to say something that sunk in, which I could imagine is the only thing that keeps most young Germans who feel guilty about their ancestor's pasts sane. He said that the Nazi system started as a party, and were a group of bad apples that created a system (i.e. no fillibusters, a one-party {republican} DEMOCRATIC system that grew a bunch of scary, genocidic ideas of a few into fruition. Not all of the Germans were Nazis, they just had no choice, and an overwhelming faith in the system.
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B-in-Law said that he was genuinely worried that the USA would end up going in the same direction, and this isn't the first time that this has been said to me by a German.
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This just lead me to 150 thought paths to follow in thinking, but the only absolute I've learned from this whole exploration is that a knee-jerk reaction is never the right one.
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It's been pretty intense.
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German Army or Nazi? My understanding was that the army operated differently than the Nazi paramilitary wings (SS, Gestapo). Am I correct in recalling that the German Army high brass were part of the plot to overthrow Hitler? It was the SS and Gestapo that ran the death camps. The regular army was not trusted with the levers of the state murder machine. It's a difference of degree, not kind, I guess.
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The Soviets were bad. Tens of millions of people perished or disappeared into the Soviet gulag under Stalin. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin">Wikipedia says 8 to 20 million deaths under Stalin</a>. Maybe 2 million documented deaths versus the Holocaust's 11 million. Again, a difference of degree.
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Makes you think about how when you decide that human life is expendable in advance of an idea (Socialism, Aryan supremacy, Freedom--whatever that is) you join some pretty unsavory company. Not to say that dying for an idea is bad, just when you can rationalize someone else dying for your idea.
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<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/berlin_05.shtml">2 million raped in Germany, 100,000 in Berlin</a>. How many others as the Eastern Front swept towards Berlin?
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There are just a few Lindy Englands in the US Armed Forces, hopefully. However, the military is not known for allowing creativity in it's grunts. I find it highly unlikely that these non-coms decided to "soften up" detainees on their own.
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This city needs a beergarten. Nothing extravagant. Casa Dominick's-ish?
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The life of a Repo-Man is always intense.
Finally I have the time to respond properly to your post, G. Thanks for taking the time to write all that out - it is intense, and in a way I do feel bad adding to your post because it's a perfect and moving statement in and of itself. But I have a big mouth, you mentioned that you feel your post was "one-sided", and I like putting in my two cents, so here goes.
Living in a country which was occupied by the Nazis, I can tell you that the Germans still have a very hard time here. Dutch people of a certain age still remember the starvation they endured, the bombings they suffered, and many of those still haven't forgiven the German people (side note: both links are Canadian - the Canucks were the main army who liberated Holland). Holland v Germany football (soccer) matches are tinged with real hatred from the Dutch side. These are people who in the last months of the war had only flower bulbs to eat. I know Germans who have been thrown out of shops here in Amsterdam when the shopkeepers realised their nationality.
On my visits to Germany and Austria, I am struck by how quickly young strangers will mention WWII to me. It seems that as soon as they realise that I am American, they want to say something (to mention the "elephant in the room", as they see it) by means of apology. These are people whose grandparents may have been in the war, and yet the grief on their faces - when they lower their voices and express their regret over the actions of their forefathers - is as visceral as if they had taken these actions themselves. I learned from a German colleague that students are taught from a very early age that the German people must not forget their national shame. WWII features so heavily in secondary school curriculum that some young people (that is, our age) feel exhausted from self-flaggelation. But they will not forget.
I was interested to read your thoughts, G, regarding US actions in recent years. Because what I have been thinking of instead is slavery.
Slavery in the United States existed less than 150 years ago. This means that great-grandparents of Black Americans our age could have been born into slavery. And great-grandparents of white Americans our age could have been born into a home with slaves. Think of it - the theft of children & adults alike from their homeland, carried on fetid ships (many died on the journey), banned from using their own languages or practising their own religions, beaten, raped, forced into labor. And after slavery - lynchings, segregation, denial of voting rights... In August of this year it will be only 60 years since the murder of 14-year-old Emmett Till for flirting with a white woman. This is our legacy. I don't know about you, but I had fairly liberal history teachers at high school, and slavery was still all but glossed over. The last mention of the rights of Black Americans was the Emancipation Proclamation.
By examining their national shame in such unblinking detail - trying to understand why people became Nazis, and what drove people to report their neighbors for "anti-German behavior" - Germans today are far more prepared to deal in a non-descrutivive way with the current economic slump they're feeling. What about Americans? How many months away are we from people reporting their neighbors for "anti-American behavior"? Have the Germans learned more from losing than we've learned from winning?
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*hand slapping forehead* This is the first time I thought about America's National Shame and the way it's dealt with versus the way Germany has dealt with it's National Shame. Gives me pause. Just as it would seem that only a German could conceive to take on so much killing in such an efficient manner, there is something Tuetonic about this teaching of grief.
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The US is such a young, brash country.
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"Wanger" is what gets you pregnant in the US, by the way.
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Lastly, an interesting graphic design from <a href="http://www.mdrails.com/images/marc_marshal.jpg">Maryland</a>.
We are a young, brash country. And that's nice - we have a lot of energy as a people, a lot of positivity. I really miss people getting excited about things over here. I miss exclamations of "Awesome!" "Great!" "Cool!" "Let's go!" But being young and brash can also get you into a heap of trouble.
Damn creepy advert from Maryland. Spine-chilling.
I originally mis-read "Wanger" as "Winger", by the way, and I still don't know which one makes me laugh more.
I'll only put it in a little.
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My point-- Those of us who are the children of immigrants (well, white immigrants) have been taught to feel proud of our American ancestors. On all sides of my family, all worked very hard against a lot of discrimination to get where they were. We are taught to be proud of this.
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But shared heritage is something that we should accept. As an American, I really should have the same kind of attitude about slavery as the Germans have about the Nazis. But it wasn't MY ancestors-- they were all illiterate people moving to Quincy to make a nice life for themselves.
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Reparation is also something to think about-- how far back should we pay for our collective sins? What is the limit on what is a sin that deserves reparation. What is the line drawn on the sin? I mean, does rape count? Does beating someone up?
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And this is figuring out blame for past sins. Should I, as an American, pay for Guatanamo bay? How much of a 'head in sand' attitude am I allowed?
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I suppose you're right about alienating the "non-immigrant" Americans... I'm thinking of a Southern boy I dated for a few years - his mother's family was one of the FFV (First Families of Virginia), and his grandmother still called the Civil War "the War of Northern Aggression".
But slavery is still part of our shared heritage, sadly. And history keeps repeating itself. I am far less interested in reparation than I am in affirmative action and the US taking a more active and vocal role in encouraging the elimination of slavery & racially discriminatory practices worldwide. Why not be a true voice for equality & freedom? Isn't that what GWB says he wants us to be?
...and yet, he's strangely titilating.
My gay best friend, my retarded brother, and I are all gonna come to your house and kick your Jewish-American ass. For reals, homes.
By the by, did I ever tell you about the time that I got kicked out of a Hillel event?
"Are you Jewish at all?"
"Well, my father's father was Jewish."
"Um... you know that doesn't count, right?"
I felt like such a gay retard.
As a Jew with a goy for a mother, I get that _all_ the time. Pisses me off. Then again, I'm always pissed off... suppose that's why I'm Mace Windu.
We can all be Gay-Retarded-Americans if we choose to be.
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