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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-06-18 02:49:02 +0000

Um, when did Dean drop the N-bomb?

Posted by rladew on 2005-06-18 04:34:41 +0000

I was thinking more abstractly about some of Dean's stereotypical remarks about republicans made last week. Not so well thought out when you're trying to be inclusive and welcoming in the democratic party. c'mon dawn... didnt you watch Russert & co. on meet the press last week? _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-18 15:30:41 +0000

1. White & Christian does a fairly good job at describing the base of the Republican Party. Is it a stereotype? Yes. Is it true for a majority of Republicans? Yes.
   1. It might piss people off, but it's the truth.
   2. Dean has yet to say something that is false.
   3. Bush is admired for being genuine, even if he is wrong; I admire Dean for being genuine and right.
   4. The US is a white, christian country, so, it might not be helpful to the Democrat's cause to point this attribute of the Republican Party out.
2. Democrats do not need to strive to be the inclusive and welcoming party. Karl Rove's success shows that you can piss off half the country and still get elected president.
   1. The 30% of the country that might be offended by Dean's remarks are never going to vote Democratic anyway, so, what's the harm?
3. Nader is deluded.

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-19 00:32:02 +0000

OK, I just got "Nader, Please".

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-06-19 14:38:48 +0000

Those were some of the most planned out and calculated remarks Dean has made. Biden and Hilary both seemed to have pre-planned answers to Dean within hours. It actually broadens the Dems. Dean can please those who truly hate Bush, and Hilary and others can appear more moderate. It's practically a page out of Rove's play-book, and it definitely didn't hurt the Dems....

Posted by rladew on 2005-06-19 20:30:07 +0000

time will tell... _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-06-19 20:38:01 +0000

I'm talking present tense here.

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-20 13:56:58 +0000

Whoa, Dean colluded with Biden and Clinton to make an "off the cuff" remark which might alienate the coveted white-evangelical-christian vote? The setup being to give Biden and Clinton the chance to show their empathy for that much maligned group?

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-06-20 14:01:11 +0000

I'm absolutely horrified that he's think that just because [url=http://www.lyricsfreak.com/l/lennon-john/82553.html]John Lennon got away with it 30 years ago[/url], he can too. And besides, John at least was referring to the Feminist Movement, not himself. Nader is totally being an [url=http://www.dumbass.com/]Alexandre Dumas[/url].

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-20 14:17:54 +0000

Is this the start of another [n-word] thread on the rs.net board? One can only hope...

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-06-20 14:40:42 +0000

Can I just say that white Europeans just [i]do not[/i] understand why it's OK for rappers to use the n-word in songs but is totally [i]not[/i] OK for white people to use the word in everyday conversation? I once caught the (white) Swedes who worked in my old company's finance department discussing race relations very earnestly using hip-hop terminology (including the n-word). I tried explaining to them. Remember that Doonesbury where an attempt is made to explain why "people of color" is different from "colored people"? It was like that. Only worse. They were quoting Snoop Dog & Dr. Dre in order to illustrate their points. They didn't get the idea of reclaiming words, and were really disturbed that there are some words which they aren't allowed to use because of the color of their skin.

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-20 15:25:30 +0000

There are some white Americans that are just as distrubed. BQ3K: When are you going to post a review of this book?

Posted by bizquig3000 on 2005-06-20 15:53:46 +0000

First chapter's great. Haven't finished the rest of it.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-06-20 16:47:22 +0000

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-06-21 14:10:08 +0000

I felt the same way a few years ago, so I started trying to take nigger back from the niggers. I thought I had people with me. We used it regularly... turned out it was a joke, the joke was on me, and now there's a lot of people I only met during that time that just think I'm racist. Whatever.

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-21 14:50:09 +0000

Nah, they think you're an asshole. Whatever.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-06-21 14:53:09 +0000

I am an asshole, though, so why do I care? Whatever.

Posted by rladew on 2005-06-21 15:54:49 +0000

While some people might actually thoughtfully employ this "ownership" philosophy of using the N word, my personal opinion, is that like any other expletive or slang word, the great majority of people use it to fill in their speech and not as a word for emphasis, either positive or negative. _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-21 15:58:59 +0000

Your shit is right the fuck on, nader.

Posted by rladew on 2005-06-21 19:58:03 +0000

{typed grinningly}did you use the word 'Nader' as a substitute for the other N word? If so, -------> Chortle Inducing. _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-06-21 20:21:00 +0000

NWC = Naders Without Corvairs

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-06-21 22:43:21 +0000

Word... [img]http://www.moxiegrrrl.com/images/word.jpg[/img]

Posted by rladew on 2005-06-21 22:48:10 +0000

DEFINITELY the best thing I've seen all day. Hilarious. _______________________________