I love that man. Bless him for speaking the truth!
Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-03 18:54:29 +0000
Priceless post Frame. Thank you.
I really need to listen to Air America. I have only heard and seen good things.
Posted by rladew on 2005-09-03 19:32:08 +0000
truly.
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Posted by tgl on 2005-09-04 18:20:09 +0000
This is the guy that spent last weekend holed up in the Hilton Hotel. Maybe Baton Rouge would have been a better command location, the "going down with the ship" might not have been the best choice. I share Nagin's frustration and criticism, but, his hands aren't necessarily clean.
Telling how he says "if you don't give me the authority, give it to him", "I have no idea what they are doing". Bureaucratic confusion has contributed to this disaster. Same confusion that we supposedly were alerted to as a detriment to public safety on Sept. 11, 2001.
Posted by rladew on 2005-09-12 18:48:04 +0000
It is no doubt a tragedy when anyone loses their life in a natural disaster. One death 2 Katrina is too much as far as I'm concerned.
However, I was reading in the NYT today that N.O. Mayor Nagin estimated approx. 10,000 dead when all was said and done. I had cinematic Jerry Bruckheimer nightmares after hearing that about 66% more people dead than on 9/11 were anticipated: floating carcasses in water, etc. etc.
Also, in the NYT today, as well as AP, If it is correct that the current dead count is 197, I believe have Nagin overestimating casualties by about 98%....oops
I'm glad that the earlier predictions have so far turned out to be incorrect.
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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-12 18:55:58 +0000
Bodies found or casualties? Are you assuming we found all the bodies?
Posted by rladew on 2005-09-12 19:02:41 +0000
no.
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Posted by tgl on 2005-09-12 19:06:24 +0000
Nagin overstated the numbers, surely, and I was willing to believe him. Totally believable though. FEMA had 25,000 body bags at the ready ...seems like the only thing they had ready.
If you do what you need to do to get services to your residents, does anyone blame him for getting a little hysterical? I'm trying to find the timeline published in the Glob yesterday, it was a great graphic.
Death toll might top out at 500 for the region then, with about 450,000 people evacuated? We get schooled by the Chinese.
Posted by rladew on 2005-09-12 19:11:40 +0000
All I have said in this post is that Im glad that he was wrong.
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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-12 19:19:59 +0000
Please, rladew, you said:
"If it is correct that the current dead count is 197, I believe have Nagin overestimating casualties by about 98%....oops"
Posted by tgl on 2005-09-12 19:20:08 +0000
I'm glad he overstated the numbers.
Posted by frame609 on 2005-09-12 19:28:08 +0000
I just hung out with my friend hope, who was living in New Orleans at the time. She said that the worst part about the entire thing was the complete lack of information in the city- even cops didn't know which roads were open and where peole were staying, etc. The death toll she heard was 154.
Posted by tgl on 2005-09-12 19:31:51 +0000
Like I said below. We learned four years ago that communication breakdowns during a state of emergency are fatal. Why haven't these problems been addressed?
Is N.O. Hope the same as Seattle Hope?
Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-12 19:33:38 +0000
Everyone, please!
"Bodies Found" does not equate "death toll".
Let's at least wait a month to see if the thousands of missing people turn up. I understand that some people are going to bail and be believed to be dead, but are still alive. I'm not being a pessimist here, as I do think it will be only about 1,000 to 1,500.
Posted by tgl on 2005-09-12 19:35:50 +0000
Do bodies float immediately? How many corpses are out there in the Gulf of Mexico?
Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-12 19:40:49 +0000
hundreds...?
Posted by frame609 on 2005-09-12 19:49:13 +0000
New Orleans Hope is the same Hope as Seattle Hope.
Posted by Miriam on 2005-09-12 19:50:54 +0000
I think you're right, TGL. We could learn a lot from the Chinese. They did invent paper and fireworks and spaghetti. I think we could get a little natural disaster preparedness training from their millenia of expertise.
Posted by tgl on 2005-09-12 19:54:52 +0000
Keeping elderly people from drowning must be a Communist thing.
Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-12 19:58:51 +0000
Let's hope
Posted by frame609 on 2005-09-12 19:59:33 +0000
She springs eternal.
Posted by Miriam on 2005-09-12 20:46:24 +0000
heh-heh. do you think it's just a red herring?
Posted by tgl on 2005-09-13 04:05:38 +0000
Oops, Hyatt Hotel, not Hilton.
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Nagin comes across well in this piece.
Posted by tgl on 2005-09-13 14:12:28 +0000
A little too (warning: dead people) gritty for Bruckheimer, I agree.
I don't think it matters whether the final tally is 500 or 5,000. America failed.
again, I feel as though you and DB are missing my point, I am glad less people are dead as opposed to more. Im not making any statements about America, government or anything else. Nagin (so far) was wrong about the # and I think that is a sign to be more optimistic.
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Posted by tgl on 2005-09-13 15:57:33 +0000
I too stated that Nagin is probably wrong about the numbers.
I don't think I am missing your point, I disagree that the revelation of Nagin's estimate being overblown is a cause for optimism. 500 people dead from a hurricane is a national tragedy, a national disgrace.