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Posted by rladew on 2005-09-13 01:30:20 +0000

This is certainly not meant to be taken as a right wing retort, but Im pretty sure most leaders of the US have referred purposely to other murderous dictators by incorrect spellings (Ayatollahs, Gadafys, Sadam/Sadamm/, etc etc. This is a policy that Bush and his beloved FBI didnt invent. _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-13 04:02:54 +0000

Bring on the canonical name! A librarian is needed here.

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-13 04:20:24 +0000

"Hey man, is that Freedom Walk?" Here's an interesting piece on not remembering. Or at least, not remembering all these things at once.

Posted by G lib on 2005-09-13 13:16:33 +0000

Library of Congress, who's head is a Bush appointee, says that the main spelling is 'Osama'. They've used 'Usama' so that no one can find the article, because most people don't know how to use indexed terms. However, the name authority file is kind of interesting: [For those who are interested, the numbers translate into: 100=main entry 400=other spellings that refer to the main entry 670=sources where we found these different spellings.] Bin Laden, Osama, 1957- 100 1_ |a Bin Laden, Osama, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Ibn L¯adin, Us¯amah, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Bin L¯adin, Us¯amah bin Muhammad, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Bin Laden, Usmana, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Bin L¯adin, Us¯amah, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Bin Laden, Usama, |d 1957- 400 0_ |a Osama bin Laden, |d 1957- 400 0_ |a Usama bin Laden, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Bin Laden, Osmana, |d 1957- 400 0_ |a Shaykh Osma Bin Laden, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Bin Laden, Osama Bin Muhammad, |d 1957- 400 0_ |a Osama Bin Muhammad Bin Laden, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Ben Laden, Oussama, |d 1957- 400 0_ |a Ab¯u `Abd All¯ah Us¯amah ibn L¯adin, |d 1957- 400 0_ |a Us¯amah ibn L¯adin Ab¯u `Abd All¯ah, |d 1957- 400 0_ |a Usama ben Mukhammad ben Avad ben Laden, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Ben Laden, Usama ben Mukhammad ben Avad, |d 1957- 400 1_ |a Bin Ladden, Usama, |d 1957- 670 __ |a Us¯amah bin L¯adin, 1998: |b t.p. (Us¯amah bin L¯adin) p. 14 (usage : Us¯amah bin L¯adin, b. 1957) 670 __ |a U.S. President (1993- : Clinton). Authorized U.S. strikes in Afghanistan and Sudan against the Usmana [i.e. Usama] bin Ladin organization, 1998: |b t.p. (Usmana [i.e. Usama] bin Ladin organization) t.p. and p. 1 (Usama bin Laden organization) 670 __ |a Fact sheet, Aug. 21, 1998, U.S. Dept. of State web site, accessed 11/2/1998 |b (Usama bin Laden's network) at Additional Background (Bin Laden, the youngest son of a wealthy Saudi businessman, developed a worldwide organization in the 1970s to recruit Muslim terrorists for the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan. In 1988, he formed a network devoted to terror and subversion. He returned to his home in Saudi Arabia in 1989, but the Government of Saudi Arabia expelled him the following year for his continued support of terrorist groups. Bin Laden then went to Sudan from which he carried on his support for terrorist operations; ... Sudan expelled bin Ladin in 1996) 670 __ |a U.S. counterterrorism policy toward Sudan, May 15, 1997, via U.S. Dept. of State web site, accessed 11/2/1998 |b (Osama bin Laden) 670 __ |a Us¯amah ibn L¯adin yarw¯i ma`¯arik Ma'sadat al-Ans¯ar al-`Arab bi-Afgh¯anist¯an, 1991. 670 __ |a Bin Laden, 1999: |b CIP t.p. (Bin Laden) galley (Osama bin Laden) 670 __ |a Ency. Britanica Online, Mar. 27, 2000 |b year in review 1998: biog. (Bin Laden, Osama) 670 __ |a Usama bin Laden's al-Qaida, 2001: |b CIP t.p. (Usama bin Laden) 670 __ |a Osama Bin Laden, 2001: |b p. 10 (Osama Bin Muhammad Bin Laden; Shaykh Osama Bin Laden, the Prince, the Emir, the Abu Abdullah, Mujahed Shyaykh, Haji, the director) 670 __ |a Au nom d'Oussama Ben Laden, c2001. 670 __ |a Us¯amah ibn L¯adin yarw¯i ma`¯arik Ma'sadat al-Ans¯ar al-`Arab bi-Afg¯anist¯an, 1991: |b p. 49 etc. (Ab¯u `Abd All¯ah Us¯amah ibn L¯adin, Us¯amah ibn L¯adin Ab¯u `Abd All¯ah) 670 __ |a Sovremennyi terrorizm, 2002: |b p. 204 (Usama ben Mukhammad ben Avad ben Laden; b. 1957 in Er-Riiade into a family which had emmigrated from Khadramaut in Southern Yemen to Saudi Arabia) 670 __ |a Who is a terrorist?, 2001: |b cover (Usama Bin Ladden) 953 __ |a xx00 |b yh81 985 __ |e ODE-is 985 __ |c ODE |e LSPC

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-13 18:54:52 +0000

I wasn't takling about the spelling at all!!! The man was responsible for the greatest act of war upon our country, and it isn't even listed!

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-13 19:04:25 +0000

these conspiracy theories are getting old... _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-13 19:26:44 +0000

What theory? What conspiracy? It isn't fucking listed. Call the FBI and tell them!?!

Posted by cdubrocker on 2005-09-13 19:34:15 +0000

That is really really bizarre. By November 2001 had UBL actually come out and said, Yeah, I'm the guy behind this, or was he still the de facto prime suspect? Whatever the case, it should be corrected.

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-13 19:52:58 +0000

Innocent until proven guilty. OBL is allegedly responsible for the greatest act of war upon this country.

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-09-13 19:58:10 +0000

And Pearl Harbor is what, chopped liver?

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-13 20:01:04 +0000

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Posted by tgl on 2005-09-13 20:19:30 +0000

Roughly the same number of Americans died on both days (12/7 and 9/11), if that's the yardstick you'd like to use. 9/11 is a bit unique in that the casualties are nearly all civilian. Pearl Harbor was a military installation, while we were not at war with Japan, we had to be aware that they could be hostile to us. Of course, the same could be said of 9/11; While we were not fully engaged with Islamo-fascist terrorists at the time, we had to be aware that they could be hostile to us. I'd argue we haven't become fully engaged with the enemy at this time.

Posted by Miriam on 2005-09-13 20:46:32 +0000

We should've been aware, since some folks were caught w/a van full of explosives UNDER the one of the towers, federal agents should've been all over it.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-14 05:15:16 +0000

Hawaii was not a part of the USA when Pearl Harbor was bombed on Dec. 7th 1941. Territory yes; state no. My mom was there (born in Hilo, HA, not the US); Dec. 7th is why she moved to California. I get it, rladew, both OJ and bin Laden killed people and got away with it, but I wasn't trying to be funny here. Still I thank you for trying to make light of it all. Can I wear my "I (plane) NY" shirt in public now?

Posted by Miriam on 2005-09-14 14:46:06 +0000

Oh, snap!

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-14 16:01:28 +0000

sorry dawn, I owe you an apology if we are talking seriously about any people directly and specifically that have been affected by these situations (especially family friends and loved ones) I was reacting to TGL's very true, but altogether unfortunate, statement regarding Osama (Usama?)'s unproven malicious intent. Whenever I see atrocities and hear journalists use the word "allegedly" right or wrong, I seem to have an image of OJ burned in the brain. Here's to hoping OJ is still looking for Nicole's killer on all of the Nations' golf courses and that Osama (Usama?)is encouraging his followers in Al qaeda that are responsible for 9/11 to step forward as individuals... _______________________________