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Posted by Miriam on 2005-09-26 15:07:02 +0000

Um, is Drudge insinuating that Streisand's mere existence is the reason for all those terrible hurricanes?

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 12:28:19 +0000

Flipping channels w/ some insomnia last night and Leno was giving this story some airtime. Pretty funny. He was talking about assembling a political think tank to be reckoned with: Mariah Carey, Celine Dione, Lionel Richie (!) et. al... _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-27 14:26:14 +0000

At least that think tank might put out a decent album, no luck from these chumps.

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 14:48:39 +0000

Steve Forbes, the flat tax chump. Id have to respectfully disagree.. _______________________________

Posted by Miriam on 2005-09-27 17:49:49 +0000

Would they film their recording session and have a benefit concert entitled: Tax Relief '05?

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 17:54:46 +0000

"The Mirror has Two Faces" is the only scar on Jeff Bridges near-perfect career. Drudge is losing his "umph"...

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-27 18:47:23 +0000

Well, it's not like he earned his money, and he lost to Bob Dole. I'll respectfully maintain my description.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 19:07:38 +0000

Forbes just looks like an asshole. It's like his whole face is a zit, you just want to squeeze it and watch the puss come out. I'm reminded of Eddie Murphy doing his white guy routine. He said he would just clench his butt cheeks tight and talk like he was Forbes. No soul.

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 19:18:13 +0000

wasnt aware that you were in the soul judging business. our friend Bubba from arkansas could fit pretty easily in that dept too IMHO _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 19:23:18 +0000

"The First Black President" has no soul? He even plays a decent Saxaphone. You're alone on that one.

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-27 19:23:53 +0000

What kind of soul are we talking about? Clinton is a skirt-chasing horn dog, if that's what you are getting at.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 19:27:53 +0000

Not really. While Jimmy Carter grew up with more blacks than Clinton, Clinton embodied black culture more.

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 19:49:40 +0000

What's the line in Slint's 'Spiderland'?: "Don stepped Outside. It felt good to be alone." _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 19:51:55 +0000

the only impeached president in quite some time's sax playing makes Kenny G look like John Coltrane., BTW. "Embodies Black Culture" - how would you know? _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-27 20:13:36 +0000

How would you know he doesn't know?

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 20:19:03 +0000

I don't, but I had the luck of asking first :) _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-27 20:24:30 +0000

First ever photo of "dawnbixtler": image under license

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-27 20:24:58 +0000

Bush is looking more like Carter every day.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 21:22:38 +0000

How would I know? I read.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 21:23:11 +0000

What Clinton cuts have you heard?

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 21:53:24 +0000

He played an elvis tune on arsenio Hall - I remember watching it, Heartbreak Hotel maybe? He was a good music student who played in several orchestras/ bands back in the day if I recall the PBS documentaries they ran on his backgrounds during the elections... To be fair, you did say only that he plays a decent saxophone - which is a true enough statement. A good jazz musician though? Pretty milquetoast if yr putting him in any serious jazz peer group. Slick Willie is a politician that had an extracurricular music activity once upon a time ago. _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-27 21:56:28 +0000

Oh right - opposing viewpoints make one illiterate. I forgot about that. My apologies. _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 22:28:32 +0000

No arguments here. I heard his "solo" during the inagural (sp?), and it left much to be desired. Nevertheless, he has the most soul of any American President so far.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-27 22:29:40 +0000

Unfair to Carter.

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-28 02:42:27 +0000

[chuckle]

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-28 02:53:05 +0000

One bad Mamma Jamma: Ain't nuthin' but a Warren G. thang.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-09-28 04:15:34 +0000

Harding: As Bad As Pierce.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-28 05:37:53 +0000

No. Worse.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-09-28 06:36:04 +0000

Probably. But I've got a soft spot for New Hampshire's only president.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-28 06:50:16 +0000

Webster! Shoulda been?!? Also, he's in the Presidential Peaks of the White Mnts.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-09-28 06:58:09 +0000

Webster woulda been sick.

Posted by rladew on 2005-09-30 22:28:39 +0000

Can Brits run for American office? Thom Yorke for treasurer! _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-03 20:02:14 +0000

This just keeps getting better in the past few weeks as far as entertainers becoming political experts. Now, courtesy of Drudge, we're privileged to hear from Donald Sutherland. Maybe if he had something to say in the early 80's on the heels of "Ordinary People" or "MASH" in the mid 70's some highly impressionable film goer would actually care. But if I was a clueless American watching TV in 2005, why would I take Kiefer's dad's word (and the prestigious Blockbuster Entertainment award winner for 'Space Cowboys') on anything on the heels of a Geena Davis political vehicle? I'm sure someone in America will... ho hum... _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-03 20:08:00 +0000

Well, at least our politicians aren't entertainers.

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-03 20:39:30 +0000

touche: (the entertainment community is SO Right Wing) I know, its Scwarzenegger / Reagan / Ron Perlman / Kennedy / Johnny Ramone / Charlton Heston / Alice Cooper / Shannon Doherty vs. every Baldwin in creation, Tom (and J ....) Robbins, Sarandon, Sean Penn, Sharon Stone, Bill Maher, D. Sutherland, Eddie Vedder, Bruce Springsteen, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, Dave Grohl, Fat Mike, Ian Mackaye, Q and Not U , U2, Radiohead, Dave Douglas, Beastie Boys, Spike Lee, Kayne West, P. (Vote or die!) Diddy, Russel simmons, Rick Rubin, Michael Douglas, Al Jourgensen Alyssa Milano Ani DiFranco Barbra Streisand Ben Affleck Bobby Fischer Bruce Springsteen Carlos Santana Cher Chrissie Hynde Danny Glover Dave Matthews David Clennon Dixie Chicks Dustin Hoffman Ed Asner Ed Harris Edward Norton Eminem Eric Roberts Ethan Hawke George Carlin George Clooney Gore Vidal Gwyneth Paltrow Harry Belafonte Jadakiss Jane Fonda Janeane Garofalo Jennifer Aniston Jessica Lange Jethro Tull John Cusack John Mellencamp Johnny Depp Joy Behar Julia Roberts Kate Hudson Kirsten Dunst Larry Hagman Lauren Hutton Madonna Margaret Cho Martin Scorsese Martin Sheen Maynard Keenan Michael Moore Mike Farrell Moby Morrissey Oliver Stone Ozzy Osbourne Richard Gere Rickie Lee Jones Robert Altman Robin Williams Sandra Bernhard Sandy Duncan Uma Thurman Viggo Mortensen Whoopi Goldberg Willie Nelson Woody Harrelson _______________________________

Posted by frame609 on 2005-10-03 20:43:12 +0000

I feel like I should vote against whomever the members of Jethro Tull like solely on principle.

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-03 21:09:43 +0000

I don't understand your list, as fair as having commonalities: Reagan and Schwarzeneggar held office, that's about as far as I can get. ;) --- It'd be refreshing to hear a refutation based what someone believes rather than who they are.

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-03 21:14:45 +0000

Al Gore's s.o. did want to regulate the distribution of "porn rock" such as Prince, Twisted Sister, and Frank Zappa (like listening to a healthy combo of those 3 would turn you into an axe murderer or something). Nowadays, its Lieberman telling people not to play Grand Theft auto.. _______________________________

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-10-03 21:19:27 +0000

The Democrats & Republicans are so similar that it's astounding to me that there isn't more of a public outcry for third & fourth parties - especially as these would essentially be second & third parties, diverging from the Demolicans at the center.

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-03 21:25:45 +0000

Demolicans! I Love it. I really feel at the polls sometimes that Im picking Coke or Pepsi. Not much difference. Definitely one of the reasons, despite my loathing of his platform, I voted for Nader in 2000 (I was completely revulsed w/ having to choose between Gore and Bush). I wanted to support the idea of a 3rd political party. In effect though, I probably helped make it less clear that Bush won (not "stole", yeah I said it) the election... _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-10-03 22:54:13 +0000

What does rladew have against people voicing their opinion? This is a fucking democracy! The whole point is to voice/vote your views, not just bureaucrats and politicians! I don't respect ZZ Top or Ashlee Simpson's music any less because they are Bush supporters.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-10-03 23:27:07 +0000

Again: things might be a little different if everyone who SAID they were going to vote Nader in that election did so.

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-04 03:40:20 +0000

Considering what Sutherland _said_, it seems reasonable: "They were inept. The were inadequate to the task, and they lied," Sutherland charged.

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-04 03:41:26 +0000

RE: people not voting for a third party candidate We get what we deserve, is about all I can figure.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-10-04 15:29:01 +0000

I did, however, feel like I was at a republican convention at the ZZ Top/Nuge show.

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-04 15:32:41 +0000

Best concert effect ever: The Nuge shooting an arrow from his compound hunting bow into a giant-sized cardboard effigy of Saddam Hussein.

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 16:01:26 +0000

I'll defend everyone's right on the planet for freedom of speech to the death. Its a double edged sword, though, if you say things that other people disagree with, those other people can also criticize them. At first I was going to just put republican entertainers elected to office. However, I started thinking about how many times it has been suggested to me in arguments that there is no political bias in the Holywood media community. When people cite the same usual right wing suspects (like 5-10 names) over an over and over again without showing the staggering majority of entertainment stars that are on the left. (ever go into a Barnes and Noble or a Best Buy or a Newbury Comics or whatever and find a "Kerryisms" calendar?) _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-10-04 16:10:40 +0000

How many liberals in Hollywood have been elected to office?

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-04 16:37:19 +0000

rladew, please use that double edged sword and criticize the content of Donald Southerland's remarks. If your only criticism of the remarks is that they are deranged drivel from an actor, you're not going to convince me about your point of view. Here is a portion of what he said: "They were inept. The were inadequate to the task, and they lied" Are you saying that Sutherland is completely off his nut to suggest this, that the track record of this administration refutes these claims? What about the Don's remarks are so wholly unbelievable? --- If a "Kerryisms" calender would sell, I'd bet they'd be on the shelves.

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-10-04 16:41:17 +0000

You forgot Belinda Carlisle in your republican camp...

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 16:49:04 +0000

THE ICE IS GONNA BREAK! _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 16:50:00 +0000

google, ask jeeves et. al havent given me anything post worthy yet - Wikipedia up next. stay tuned... _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-10-04 16:53:23 +0000

It seems (I have no proof either) that the Hollywood GOP gets more involved in politics than liberals, yet Drudge and the conservative media slam the Hollywood establishment as too left. Fucked up, no?

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-04 17:02:26 +0000

Finally, something we can all get behind.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-10-04 17:08:28 +0000

Wow. Not sure I can vote for the guy. Brilliant actor - check legitimate dancer - check Understanding of government and economics - whoa Nelly Is he third party?

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 17:12:59 +0000

Im thinking its a joke. _______________________________

Posted by frame609 on 2005-10-04 17:14:04 +0000

Regardless, I'm in!

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 17:37:57 +0000

If yr talking about holding office, maybe. But Hollywood in general, (unless Im missing something) through PACS and whatnot, is much more of a fundraiser for the Democrats than the Republicans. _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 18:25:28 +0000

As far as criticizing the content of Mr. Sutherland's comments: I started by looking up the word "inept". American Heritage dictionary sez: Bungling or clumsy; incompetent: (for example: inept handling of the account). When I read Sutherland's comments, I took it that he meant Bush was :"inept" in general. (Since Sutherland's comments weren't specific about one area I was left guessing if he meant Bush lied about Katrina, lied about Iraq, whatever. Im sure he probably meant all of the above, but much like my own postings, the Don's comments were sprawling, broad, and all over the place ;) 1. On this first point of general "ineptness" I disagree with Mr. Sutherland that any individual that makes it as far as being TPOTUS can be globally inept. To back this up, I call on Bill Weld's (who has had some experience in politics I might add)Journalistic Hack editorial about 2 weeks before the November 2004 election: "My complaint is that every four years, we are asked by virtually everyone involved in national politics to believe that one of the two major party candidates for president--but only one--is an idiot, or untrustworthy. This is nonsense. Neither John Kerry nor George Bush is either stupid or untrustworthy. Nor was Al Gore, or Bob Dole, or Bill Clinton, or the senior George Bush, or Mike Dukakis. You simply cannot rise to the highest levels of U.S. politics if your word is not good, or if you are a dim bulb. So let's give the Bush-bashing and Kerry-bashing a rest." 2. As far as inadequate to the task, again I would ask: to what? Katrina? Iraq? all of the above? Of Sutherland's 3 points, this is probably his strongest. The feds (as well as the locals) were woefully underprepared for Katrina and were inadequate. Bush's (IMHO) bumbling move of creating a new level of bueracracy w/ the Dept. Of Homeland Security and having this new dept swallow up FEMA was a bad move as far as our counttry's response to national disasters. Not forseeing a stronger insurgency in Iraq, among other things I can see as inadequate. 3. Finally, Kiefer's daddy parroted the oft-used "Bush and his administratiion are lying" bit (Katrina? Iraq? In general? - again not specified) Some non-partisan sources such asfact check.org do a good job of proving, that while Bush et. al obviously made statements that were proved to be incorrect, that "this administration" was doing the best they could with the information they had at the time. This idea of a grand, vast right-wing conspiracy where anyone remotely on the right has questionable ethics and lies as a means to an end is often trite, stereotypical crap IMHO. Ok, end of rant. _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 18:39:50 +0000

I 'spose that makes the "Vacation" montage in M. Moore's 'Farenheit 9/11' a little more ironic. Ahhh! The marvels of pro tools and some linear video editing equipment... _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-10-04 18:52:11 +0000

Great Rant. Many solid points, including Wild Weld's wisdom. You are absolutely correct. Most, in fact the vast majority of those on the right do not have questionable ethics (or at least more so than any politicians. I do get nervous with the blind following of Bush by the majority of the Rep. Congressmen, but it is not necesssarily conspiracy. But the GOP leadership: the President's Staff, the House Leader, the Senate Leader, and the RNC chairs. Many indicted for conspiracy, some pending charges. Before the GOP loses all cred, shit needs to change.

Posted by tgl on 2005-10-04 19:41:13 +0000

Fantastic, thank you for taking the time. I'm glad we can agree on 'inadequate'. I agree that Bush is not "globally" inept. As I've said befdore, I think he's a bit of a sociological genius. However, the ability to wage a successful election campaign does not necessarily equate to having the ability to govern a nation successfully. We don't know Sutherland's position but I'll guess he's more concerned were Bush's ineptness has hurt us the most: the ability to govern a nation. Inept is an apt characterisation of how this administration has performed on the key issues that have shaped the past 5 years. Bungling easily describes the manner in which the aftermath of the Iraqi invasion has been handled. Bungled is what the pre-war intelligence was. Bush et al. said things that were not true. (Am I parroting?) It doesn't take hindsight to see that they were not true, there were plenty of voices in the intelligence community that held that opinion at the time. If the hunt for Al-Qaeda is not bungled, I don't know what is. Bungled also works to described the way Hurricane Katrina has been handled. Here they seem to be selectively inept in that Hurricane Ivan, which struck Florida two months before the 2004 election, was handled well. So, again, Bush does do things exeedingly well (get elected, give jobs to friends who may not be qualified), this I cannot deny. Basically to refute that Bush is not totally inept because he can clear brush well is a bit simplistic. Finally, let's take a look at the most powerful Republicans in Congress. DeLay: indicted for money laundering Frist: possible SEC violations concerning insider trading Cheney: his chief of staff may be involved in the outing of a CIA agent Bush: has explicitly condoned the use of torture by the US military I don't believe everyone on the right has questionable ethics; I'm starting to believe that all Republicans in power do.

Posted by rladew on 2005-10-04 20:26:17 +0000

Delay et. al and ethics stuff deserves a new thread... _______________________________