It's a shame. The officer's were doing their duty; maybe if the US had baggage screening as good as Israeli's they wouldn't be as excitable.
Shoot First, Ask Questions Later. No expense is too great, unless it's for an ounce of prevention. What was the cost of properly screening luggage? What was the cost of letting UN inspectors finish in Iraq?
<a href="http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13353797.htm">Miami Herald</a>
Without air Marshals, How do we keep the majority of American passengers safe on airplanes?
I agree w/ TGL. I think Israeli airflights have a screening system where the people that check the baggage actually have to board the same plane as well.
Beyond that point, I'm not sure what the best solution is. Since its clear, DB, that you disapprove of the Marshalls (at least in this particular situation), I'm hoping you have an alternative solution to offer...
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If this guy was really a suicide bomber, would he have tried to run away? Wouldn't he have just blown himself up at the first chance of being caught, or are the Marshalls that quick on the draw?
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after the blood had congealed it emerged that he had a light jacket, no bag and briefly ran down the platform to catch a tube the doors were closing on
we live in a time of double speak - can't believe anything that comes out in the press when an item is newsworthy and the spin doctors are working on it, its the little details that come out when the front pages have something else to shout about that generally tell a truer tale.
I think the fact his wife was running after him screaming that he was mentally ill and other passengers make no mention of the bomb in the bag claim is fairly significant - seems like taking public transport if your from South America is rather risky these days
Getting people together and asking them in a broad and unenforceable sense not to kill one another sounds a little touchy-feely Kindergarten-y to me. Ifa cop or an air marshal makes a mistake should those individuals be disciplined? absolutely! But denouncing the marshals or the police as a whole is ludicrous.
Do you think you would be safer without police and air marshals?
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
-John Cage
Was Richard "Shoebomber" Reid shot at?
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
-John Cage
On 09/11/2001 MOTHERFUCKERS FLEW PLANES INTO OUR BUILDINGS!!!!
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
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Are these air marshals murderers?
I'm sorry if you think it's ludicrous, but the air marshals as whole acted horribly, and therefore worthy of denouncing.
No, we would not be safer without police or air marshals in general, but with the way things seem lined up now, perhaps.
I question the intelligence of a policy that puts innocent, albeit mentally ill, people at risk.
I'm pretty certain that guns kill people, at least in this case. Alpizar would be alive today if the US Air Marshalls did not have guns.
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On Sept. 11th, motherfuckers were stopped by citizens not using handguns. I doubt that the plane that landed in PA would have ended any differently if US Air Marshals had started firing at will into the cockpit.
RONALD REAGAN PAID OFF IRANIAN KIDNAPPERS, SOLD ARMS TO IRAN, AND GAVE SADDAM HUSSEIN BILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ARMS!!!
Did any passenger hear him mention a bomb?
Could he have prevented the entire incident by taking his medicine?
"If you feel you are not properly sedated, call 348-844 immediately."
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People are responsible for their actions. But, come on! You forget your meds and you'll be shot?
Let's be realistic. Here's what I know about terrorists on airplanes since Sept. 11, 2001:
A) Terrorist with a shoebomb is apprehended without gunfire.
B) Innocent traveler is shot to death.
What conclusions can we draw based on the evidence, so far?
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Should they shoot a kid with Down Syndrome that pulls the same stunt?
At most, he was resisting arrest. I don't see how the scenario is like one that involves a bomb. How many seconds would you like to have to comply with an officer while in an "altered" state, before you get shot?
It was touched on before- 9/11 changed everything, and some of the day's events could have been prevented by force, I'm sure.
I don't buy it. Not while we continue to spend up to 10 billion dollars a year on missile defense, which counters a threat we no longer have with technology that has not been shown to work.
OK, OK, North Korea does pose a missile threat. That's about the only one. They've got... four ICBMs? And all those loose nukes in Russia; for $10 billion we could secure them once and for all.
No one ever talks about the "future unfunded liability" of Defense spending. Only Medicare and Social Security get stuck with that dog. $400 billion a year; I feel safe.
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
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If there is to be a large degree of behavior that is deemed "out of the ordinary", maybe it would be wiser for those individuals to prevent a dangerous situation by making SPECIAL ACCOMODATIONS with the airline (you know, kind of like when my wife's foot was broken and I had to preplan having a wheelchair available for her @ departing and arriving airport - The airlines weren't telepathic to her needs, I had to premeditate her care. I'm sure this suggestion will be read by some as discrimination, but if I was travelling with a loved one, a few phone calls and a verbal heads up to staff would beat having my loved one shot.)
We expect so much of our police, air marshals, security forces etc., and sometimes these people are forced to make judgment calls and act in unclear situations.
This specific incident is a good lesson to marshals that unusual situations aren't always incidents of terrorism, but I am glad that there are Air Marshals. It's leaps and bounds better than trusting some 5.50 / hr person asking you to take yr watch and shoes off.
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
-John Cage
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
-John Cage
My emprical evidence is slime, I know, but I reiterate:
Number of terrorists stopped by gunfire on airplanes: 0
Number of innocent victoms of gunfire: 1
I don't see the guns as deterrant angle either. Are suicide bombers afraid of being killed?
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You are still blaming the victim. He's at fault because he doesn't have the presence of mind (forgetting that he's mental ill, aren't we?) to take every precaution that behavior not deemed "normal" doesn't get him a cap in the ass.
Never mind that his actions seem more consistent with a crazy person than on a suicidal terrorist.
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There only paid $5.50/hr because the Repubican Congress and Republican President wouldn't pony up more cash.
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
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NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
amongst our arsenal of weaponry are such diverse elements as:
-fear
-surprise
-molestation
-comfy chairs
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I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones.
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A man who happens to succumb to existential angst and is incapable of following shouted directions at the appropriate speed is now liable for his own shooting death. Welcome to the 21st Century.
FBI dudes *totally* took my brother - alone, leaving my parents freaking out in the corridor - into a private exam room at Cleveland Airport last year. He was searched & questioned, then released. The rationale? They told Dad that unscrupulous people could have used "someone like him" as a drug or bomb donkey. Um...
On the plus side, it may possibly have been the best day of 2004 as far as my brother's concerned. Right up there with the day a female UNH cop let him ride around in her cruiser for an hour, let him turn on the siren, and gave him a cop hat as a souvenir.
Back to the topic at hand: the Brits did it first, man. We kind of *had* to shoot some innocent guy, just to keep up with the Joneses. Er... Blairs.
empirical not emprical
slim not slime
than of a not than on a
They're not There
Just sayin'.
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no worries, my friend, I threw all my red pens out years ago...
We talk on the phone every week, and each time I get the "highlight of the week".
"Pam! I had dinner at Chunky's! I had ICE CREAM!"
"Pam! I swam in the Special Olympics! I got a GOLD MEDAL!"
"Pam! A lady cop took me for a ride! I played the SIREN!"
"Pam! The FBI took me away! They SEARCHED ME!"
Heh heh heh heh heh. Man, I love that guy.