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Posted by tgl on 2005-12-12 17:30:57 +0000

So there is no significance of being in Group E as opposed to Group A? Are the initial seedings random? (I know, I could probably look it up.)

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-12 17:41:53 +0000

As simple as a quarterback rating! (Speaking of which, the 'BCN halftime show pronouced that the Bills' quaterback rated a 7 for the first half of yesterday's game.)

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-12-12 18:08:20 +0000

US might get to the quarterfinals. For betting purposes I'd go with the Netherlands and England (I think a one dollar bet with the Dutch gets like $35 if they win). Poland could also go further than anticipated, so close to home. But I will also let everyone in on one of my World Cup rules: bet against Spanish speaking countries; they seem to do worse than predicted. (Remember Brazil speaks Portugese.) I doubt Mexico, Argentina, or even Spain (the top division seed), make it out of the quarters...

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-12-12 18:22:37 +0000

Find out how much you know about the world cup here. I'm doing piss poor at abour 20%. I bet my score would go up afte a couple of caipirinhas.

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-12 18:55:42 +0000

Don't forget Poland!

Posted by bizquig3000 on 2005-12-12 18:56:40 +0000

35% for me...

Posted by cdubrocker on 2005-12-12 19:26:36 +0000

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-12 20:22:00 +0000

On the seventh question I guessed correctly, then I gave up.

Posted by lrf on 2005-12-12 22:58:56 +0000

soccer is awesome

Posted by G lib on 2005-12-13 16:35:14 +0000

My sister, a Berlin resident, couldn't get tickets, although she tried. I think you might be out of luck, BQ. Dem Dere Yurpeans likeum dere soccurr.

Posted by Null Protocol on 2005-12-13 16:58:51 +0000

HATE Soccer... sorry folks. Kickball is gay

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-12-13 17:34:07 +0000

We tried too. No dice. No tickets, either. Booooooooooooooo!

Posted by bizquig3000 on 2005-12-13 17:39:52 +0000

Eat a dick, Rich.

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 17:42:19 +0000

Until you hiccup.

Posted by Null Protocol on 2005-12-13 17:48:59 +0000

mmm mmm mmmm kickball faggot

Posted by frame609 on 2005-12-13 17:55:30 +0000

New name, new attitude.

Posted by Null Protocol on 2005-12-13 18:01:06 +0000

fairy.

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 18:11:10 +0000

I've always been a little sheepish about the "____________ is gay" tagline. I'd like to give 10D, db, et al. the benefit of the doubt that they are honestly trying to resurrect a cherished grade school saying. (Even though the only reason the "__________ is gay" saying has a negative connotation is the implicit acknowledgment that homosexuality is negative, right?) Anyway... Faggot is not accetable, nor is fairy. Sorry.

Posted by Null Protocol on 2005-12-13 18:16:43 +0000

No need to apologize, tgl. This is your board. you are very free, tgl to strike them from the record. Im sure everyone is shocked and offended that they've found me to be an intolerant hate mongerer. If amongst friends you use "is gay" as acceptable but frown on the others, thats your perogative (albeit a hypocritical one from my point of view. Having 10d and db call me gay and having bizquig tell me to eat a dick (until I hiccup, thanks tgl) are all ok... Im going to have to remember to use humor someplace else. RSN is becoming officially unfun.

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-12-13 18:21:49 +0000

Hear, hear, tgl!

Posted by Honar the librarian on 2005-12-13 18:22:08 +0000

Hear, hear, tgl!

Posted by Rideside Ref on 2005-12-13 18:23:34 +0000

Whining. Five yard penalty. Repeat first down.

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 18:25:17 +0000

I've stated that I'm a little queasy about the "_____ is gay". I'm less queasy about using "faggot" and "fairy" as a put-down, less queasy because it is most definitely hateful. I'm giving some leeway to the people that choose to use the first one. I've used the "_____ is gay" myself, on this board, so pot and kettle I guess. If NP views them all equal, then I guess my opinion is that they are all equally hateful, and I'd ask people to refrain from being hateful. I'm not going to remove posts, just ask people to be inclusive with their language. I suspect people would be less willing to post "soccer is black" or "kickball nigger". Sorry if this is no fun, everyone is free to not post.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-12-13 18:27:29 +0000

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-12-13 18:33:43 +0000

gay - adjective 1: bright and pleasant; promoting a feeling of cheer; "a cheery hello"; "a gay sunny room"; "a sunny smile" [syn: cheery, sunny] 2: full of or showing high-spirited merriment; "when hearts were young and gay"; "a poet could not but be gay, in such a jocund company"- Wordsworth; "the jolly crowd at the reunion"; "jolly old Saint Nick"; "a jovial old gentleman"; "have a merry Christmas"; "peals of merry laughter"; "a mirthful laugh" [syn: jocund, jolly, jovial, merry, mirthful]

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 18:44:41 +0000

A) I can't stand dictionary entries as arguments. Words and their meanings are not static. It is the height of conservatism to not recognise this. B) "gay man" means homosexual male, no matter what Miriam-Webster has to say about. They'll catch up with the times. C) I'm a bit skeptical that when someone says "signatures are gay", they mean that they are jovial in nature.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-12-13 18:50:03 +0000

sat·ire noun. 1. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature. 2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

Posted by Null Protocol on 2005-12-13 19:04:37 +0000

you're goddam right on point c. and the repeated 'rladew's sigs are gay' comments got on my nerves. not going to lie. to have a silly dictionary def. of gay slapped back at me is as insulting to me as if I was to post a dictionary definition of the word 'faggot'.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-12-13 19:32:47 +0000

hu·mor noun. 1. The quality that makes something laughable or amusing; funniness: "could not see the humor of the situation." 2. That which is intended to induce laughter or amusement: "a writer skilled at crafting humor." 3. The ability to perceive, enjoy, or express what is amusing, comical, incongruous, or absurd. See Synonyms of wit.

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 19:36:32 +0000

Gay satire from the mouths of straight white men doesn't work very well. Queers "took back" the word "queer"; it doesn't work the other way around. If Steve Martin had put out "That Nigger's Crazy", would it have worked?

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 19:36:59 +0000

sig's were not gay, they were annoying....

Posted by cdubrocker on 2005-12-13 19:49:42 +0000

Gay == annoying. "Gay" has come to mean something entirely different from happy or homosexual. I mean, does saying _____ is gay really have anything to do with being gay in the homosexual way anymore? My opinion is that to most people, no, it does not. Maybe I'm wrong, but I find that so many nonhomophobes (homophiles, I suppose) use the phrase often enough for it to be divorced from either of the previous meanings. Maybe some day this definition will find its way into the dictionary...unless the gay lobby has something to say about it!

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 19:52:15 +0000

For me "gay == homosexual". db and 10D have their work cut out for them.

Posted by tgl on 2005-12-13 19:55:41 +0000

But, wait, doesn't the negative meaning of gay derive from the negative stigma of homosexuality? I'm guessing that gay became divorced from the "happy or joyous" meaning about the same time it was applied to homosexuals. In order to "take back" the word, it should be used to describe happy or jovial things, not to re-attach negative meaning to it.

Posted by cdubrocker on 2005-12-13 20:09:18 +0000

Well, then I don't really understand the "_____ is gay" thing.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-12-13 20:12:16 +0000

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-12-13 20:17:09 +0000

I am officially laughing out loud. None of this LOL bullshit.

Posted by cdubrocker on 2005-12-13 20:22:19 +0000

Well, sure it derives from that. But I don't see anything wrong with it being totally divorced or so far removed from that connection eventually that the meaning becomes something that practically stands alone. While ideally it would be nice for gay to denote something positive, I think that's wishful thinking. For me, "taking back" queer was enough.

Posted by cdubrocker on 2005-12-13 20:43:24 +0000

Love it!

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-12-14 19:07:30 +0000

I picked a hell of a day to be off the board. So now, a day late, let me chime in: Calling things "gay" is not OK. It absolutely stems from homophobia, even though we grew up using it and not realizing it. Same goes for saying things "suck", by the way, as it derives (I believe) from the negative connotation of a man sucking another man's penis. Not so clear on "retard" although, growing up it felt the same as gay. Technically retard means slow, so calling someone retarded, or even slow is not necessarily making fun of those goofy bastards. Saying someone rides on the short bus, on the other hand is insensitive. More later, I have to run. That's the nigger calling the spade a pot.

Posted by Miriam on 2005-12-15 00:41:54 +0000

That's Merriam-Webster !

Posted by Miriam on 2005-12-15 00:44:40 +0000

I thought "sucks" comes from sucking eggs or lemons.

Posted by Travis on 2005-12-15 10:13:05 +0000

just use a fine expression like "good with colours" or "puddle jumper" no need for the G word - much more fun anyway