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Posted by tendiamonds on 2006-01-16 18:11:29 +0000
How to get started on a band
Dawn and I were chatting last night about how to expose oneself to a band that's been around for a while. Offhand, I speculated that you should purchase that band's *second* album... I reflected upon it and now think it's a pretty good idea.
My thinking is that a sophomore effort better reflect the long term ability of a band, as opposed to their first album with which they were young, dumb and full of come...
Examples:
Beastie Boys: Paul's Boutique -> hip hop will never be the same.
Yes: Time and a Word -> points out the band's mediocrity.
Rush: Fly By Night -> visionary.
The Clash: Give 'em Enough Rope -> underrated, poppy, yet jarring
Discuss.
Posted by tgl on 2006-01-16 18:31:21 +0000
ZZ Top: Rio Grande Mud -> contains "Just Got Paid"
Rapeman: Two Nuns and a Pack Mule -> contains "Just Got Paid"
Sayin'.
Posted by buzzorhowl on 2006-01-16 18:35:10 +0000
"Rio" is the best Duran Duran record.
Posted by bizquig3000 on 2006-01-16 18:37:04 +0000
Depends:
Pavement: Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain -> probably a tie with Slanted and Enchanted
Beatles: With the Beatles -> if this is the only Beatles record you heard you'd be missing out on lots.
Posted by Null Protocol on 2006-01-16 18:44:40 +0000
A good way to get started on any band is to get away from the screen and the keyboard, put on a pair of headphones and go...
As far as second albums are concerned:
-Angel Dust (FNM's 2nd in the Mike Patton lineup)
-Nevermind
-Paul's Boutique
-De La Soul Is Dead
-Repeater
-the Bends
-It Takes A Nation Of Millions
--Tommorow Is the Question! (Ornette Coleman)
After only 5 minutes or so of this idea, it seems true.. Ill probly think of some glaring exceptions while driving...
Posted by Null Protocol on 2006-01-16 18:45:40 +0000
got me a pocket full of change.
Still waiting for a followup to Rapeman's debut...
Posted by tgl on 2006-01-16 18:59:31 +0000
Doesn't "Budd" count as a debut, or are EPs the exception to the rule?
Posted by Null Protocol on 2006-01-16 19:21:53 +0000
Yes! yr right. Budd was an EP... Wasnt Fugazi's debut an EP, too?
They also had the Sub Pop "single of the month" 7":
SP40
Inki's Butt Crack
b/w
Song Number One (It's not the Fugazi one)
Posted by tendiamonds on 2006-01-16 19:27:25 +0000
I'm not saying that you should just get the second album, I'm just thinking that, more often than not, a band that has an extensive discography, may best be sampled via their second album. Bands that have less than 4 albums need not apply.
I don't think EPs count. Rapeman has one album, Big Black has 3, two of which came out after they broke up.
Posted by Null Protocol on 2006-01-16 20:41:12 +0000
re: Rapeman:
Wishful thinking on my part, but I think Id have to agree. I tend to look the other way and give false props to bands that write lyrical passages such as "Why don't you snuff it man?/Plant Eating Pussy!")
The only area where that idea of an EP not counting kind of breaks down is if an EP is the absolute first document of a band. Wouldn't a full length following that be more than a debut? I dont know if thats developed enough to be considered "sophmore", but they're not exactly new at that point, either.
Posted by buzzorhowl on 2006-01-16 21:53:17 +0000
Look at Fugazi: two EP's, then their first full-length, "Repeater".
Posted by tendiamonds on 2006-01-17 14:01:45 +0000
Hmm, maybe some sort of qualification on ones efforts could constitute enough to move into judgeable; like Fugazi's 2 EPs, Big Black's 3 EPs, Shellac's 3 7 inches...
There is a different judgement system necessary for bands that have prior art. My theory is intended to apply to a band that has a copious compendium of uncharted work availing itself to the listener.
Fugazi and Shellac, can't be judged in this way as you somehow need to take into account the settling into the public that the artists had already done.
Posted by tommy on 2006-01-17 14:27:17 +0000
Candy-O is the best Cars record.
Posted by dawnbixtler on 2006-01-17 16:10:39 +0000
The "Led Zeppelin III Theory"
Perhaps a corollary to the "Sophomore Effort Expose."
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