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Posted by edward on 2004-08-07 18:46:21 +0000

Garden State

Pretty good offering from the Zach Braff triple threat (actor, writer, director). He does a decent job as the over drugged (lithium, zoloft, prozac) struggling actor, Andrew, returning home to a dead mother and cold father. But -are you ready for the best part?- Natalie Portman rocks the house as the neurotic spaz. Honestly some of her greatest work, and the scene when she introduces Andrew to her hamster obsessed family is perhaps the best moment of her entire career. We all know I'm a sucker for N.P. but this is the real deal. The only downside of the movie is that it turns into an awkward romance, clearly borrowing from The Graduate, instead of the coming of age film I (and perhaps Braff) wanted it to be. (B+)

Posted by rladew on 2004-08-25 03:00:37 +0000
Where is this playing? Us New Hampshire folk get screwed out of this stuff. BTW both the Metallica film and the new Spike Lee film were yanked out of the Boston markets after less than 2 weeks. Yay indie cinema!!!. When does Spider Man 3 come out?

Posted by frame609 on 2004-08-25 06:11:42 +0000
Garden State is all over the place down here.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-08-25 16:55:10 +0000
I heard Spike's newest "Joint" was pretty bad. Glorified male prostitution and "converted" lesbians. Lee dropped a notch in my book, when he tried to stop the "Spike" TV channel, citing that they were trying to use the Spike name he "created". He was also notorious at my film school, were he still owes thousands of dollars in editting fees. He hasn't done anything spectacular since "Mo Better Blues" anyways....

Posted by Time Wisrd on 2004-08-25 17:12:30 +0000
[quote:d26b99425d="dawnbixtler"]He was also notorious at my film school, were he still owes thousands of dollars in editting fees.[/quote:d26b99425d] What are they gonna do, take away his education?

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-08-25 22:25:13 +0000
No, but he's not allowed to use any of their equipment anymore. (If The Film and Video Arts School still existed, but it doesn't)

Posted by rladew on 2004-08-25 22:51:37 +0000
Lee is another individual whose politics (sports, personal (i.e. the Spike TV debacle) and governmental ) I usually disagree with... But I still feel like he is one of the greatest filmmaking talents out there. Girl 6, Get On the Bus (Isaiah Washingtons Gay Black Republican coupled with the "Homicide cameos of Richard Belzer and Andre Braugher were all brilliant), Summer of Sam ,Bambozzled (Mos Defs "Know what I mean Know What Im sayin character") were all more recent Spike fare that I enjoyed. He has no idea how or when to stop talking to the press, but at least he is good at his day job. Side Note: If you haven't seen the Criterion Edition DVD of Do The Right Thing, By all means Netflix it or borrow it from me. The cinematographer take s a tour of the same on location sites they used in the film 10 years later, unedited Public Enemy videos circa 1989 (!), home videotapes of the original cast doing script rehearsals, Cannes film festival footage. and lotsa commentaries and goodies. One of the best DVDs I have IMHO...

Posted by rladew on 2004-08-25 22:52:44 +0000
BTW: what film school? NYU? He always talks highly of the place... funny that he purportedly gave them the shaft...

Posted by tgl on 2004-08-26 13:30:39 +0000
[quote:1af43fc38b="rladew"]Lee is another individual whose politics (sports, personal (i.e. the Spike TV debacle) and governmental ) I usually disagree with... But I still feel like he is one of the greatest filmmaking talents out there.[/quote:1af43fc38b] This is what perplexes me. Do you just ignore the editorial content of his films? His politics are fairly evident through is work. In fact, my impression is that Lee is one of those filmmakers who is motivated by his politics. (I'm assuming) Sam Raimi has different politics than Spike Lee. Does a Raimi movie have different politics than a Lee movie (er, joint)? Maybe it's not so much Raimi's politics, but that Raimi's politics are less apparent in his films. Spike Lee definitely uses elements of pure cinema, but he's also laying on the social commentary pretty thick, if you disagree with his standpoint, does that subtract from the experience?

Posted by frame609 on 2004-08-26 18:15:50 +0000
I've never thought that it does. It's like reading the Herald and the Globe, or listening to Stern or Limbaugh or whoever- just because someone (in this case, Sike Lee) is giving you bad advice doesn't mean you have to follow it.

Posted by tgl on 2004-08-26 19:28:12 +0000
No, that's not my point. I'm not talking about "heeding the message" of a film. Is "Do The Right Thing" a better film if you agree the Mookie is morally justified in vandalizing Sals' storefront? (OK, I'm assuming that's what Spike Lee's sentiment is).

Posted by frame609 on 2004-08-26 19:38:48 +0000
It's a pretty good film because you can see why he thinks he is justified. It might be better, but I really don't know because of my background.

Posted by rladew on 2004-08-27 21:31:50 +0000
[quote:58eb712950] [b:58eb712950]Terry G Says[/b:58eb712950]: This is what perplexes me. Do you just ignore the editorial content of his films? His politics are fairly evident through is work. In fact, my impression is that Lee is one of those filmmakers who is motivated by his politics. [/quote:58eb712950] I certainly try not to ignore anyone's editorial content in films as it is their film and I want to understand what it is they have to say. There are political ideas / messages in Spike Lee's films that I do agree with, but I don't always agree with some stereotypes seen most dominantly in his earlier work (Korean grocers in Do The Right Thing, wealthy white Jewish "Authority" figures In Mo Better Blues (The Night Club Owners )and in Jungle fever (the Architect bosses) , When I say I dont agree with Spike's politics though, Im mainly refering to personal points he enjoys making to the press to such things as his "ownership" of the word Spike which cable networks dont have (my Lawsuit for all of The Dicks recordings to cease and desist until they can rettitle them something other than my nickname is still pending). I also have a beef with his 1992 advocacy of children with families skipping school to see Malcolm X, as somehow a day of school is less important than seeing filmed entertainment. More recently, I saw an article from the Tampa Tribune [url]http://tampatrib.com/baylifenews/MGB5WYW55XD.html[/url] just yesterday that reeks of the stuff Im talking about in terms of his personal politics that he leaks to the press. Everyone has freedom of speech, but c'mon spike, stick to making movies, your college lectures [url]http://www.thepolypost.com/story.php?story=1327[/url] aren't going to win you any awards.... : [color=green:58eb712950]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm very nervous about this election, because we're all going to go to hell if George Bush wins,'' Lee says, pointing out recent job losses suffered by Whoopi Goldberg and Linda Ronstadt after they spoke up against Bush. He's also concerned that Moore needs to have bodyguards because his life has been threatened. ``Michael Moore would not need armed guards around him 24 hours a day if that film had no impact,'' says Lee, who spoke to Moore a few days ago. ``This is a very serious time, man. They're squashing down,'' Lee sighs.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>[/color:58eb712950] (End of Post 1 of 2 on this subject)

Posted by rladew on 2004-08-27 21:32:51 +0000
I admire Lee's cinematic techniques (such as the tracking shots of characters walking that makes them look like they are on one of those moving sidewalks at the airports used in DTRT, JF, Mo Better Blues, etc) I admire that he does what it takes to get his films released (i.e. switching distributors, pushing on with controversial subject matter and images when studios want to exclude this - such as in Bambozzled with the montage sequence showing a lot of the derogatory things African Americans have endured in Hollywood such as the clip of Shirley Temple in blackface ) His takes on corruption in Sports (He Got Game), demonstrating how hard it is to stay honest and keep your integrity. His casting and acting performances he illicits from his cast are usually top notch(interracial adultery as a movie theme was something I wasn't very interested in in Jungle Fever, but I have never seen a more effective documentation of the ravaging effects of crack cocaine as in the scene where Wesley Snipes has to find his brother Gator (Samuel L Jackson) in a crack hotel

Posted by rladew on 2004-08-27 21:36:02 +0000
[quote:324ecd79a2="frame609"]I've never thought that it does. It's like reading the Herald and the Globe, or listening to Stern or Limbaugh or whoever- just because someone (in this case, Sike Lee) is giving you bad advice doesn't mean you have to follow it.[/quote:324ecd79a2] This might not be what Terry meant in his argument, but I was thinking along these lines that mike f brought up. DW Griffith's "Birth Of a Nation" is a brillant film, but I am not a KKK sympathizer. Rather than agree with the NAACP that it should never be screened because it will foster more racism, I would argue that as many people as possible need to see it to a) be familiar with its racist content and to dispel misconceptions and understand the malicious intent to make sure it is prevented in the future and b) appreciate the new cinematic techniques Griffith brought to the arsenal of early 20th century filmmakers. People will always continue to whine about freedom of speech until something is said or done that offends them personally, and then look out.....

Posted by tgl on 2004-08-27 22:45:52 +0000
I haven't seen "Birth Of A Nation". I've heard it's a brilliant film as well. If I was a KKK sympathizer, maybe it wouldn't need to be as cinematically brilliant for me to like it as much. Just like if I completely agreed with the moral argument of "Do The Right Thing" (I don't), maybe I'd like it more. It's hard to say, b/c I'm myself, not someone else; which echoes Mike's sentiment as well. Stereotypes: Hey, Koreans do own a lot of bodegas in New York City. I don't get to caught up in them (stereotypes, not bodegas), unless they are mean-spirited. If parents want to take their kids out of school to see a movie ("Malcom X", "Schindler's List", come to mind), then who is to stop them? Rich, are you advocating that Big Government enforce truant policy more forcefully in this area? *nudge*

Posted by frame609 on 2004-08-30 08:27:35 +0000
I finally saw Garden State tonight. Pretty good- lots of funny bits and yeah, Natalie Portman ruled. The ending was a wee bit too pat for me, but hey. Worth my $9.50.

Posted by tgl on 2004-08-30 14:15:03 +0000
Kendall Sq. is up to $9.25 now. Yikes. I always get a 5-ticket discount pack.

Posted by tgl on 2007-11-20 00:24:00 +0000
Aside from a couple fun/ny scenes, this was cringe inducing. Especially at the end. Turned it off when Braff comes back from the plane and tells Portman he's not leaving. I guess there wasn't much more after that anyway. Portman's character evens out a bit, but, the character we meet at the doctor's office doesn't seem to be the same one at the end of the film. Silent vecro? Funny... but... in a romantic comedy... OK, that's an homage to "The Jerk", right? Fun thread. Droppin' rosettas like Galileo.

Posted by tgl on 2007-11-20 00:25:38 +0000
The soundtrack though... 6.88885 Pitchforks.

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-11-20 01:01:57 +0000
Seriously. I'm changing my name again pretty soon.

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