WWW.RIDESIDE.NET

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-12 21:12:59 +0000

Rory's from Nashua.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-13 03:12:38 +0000

that explains a lot.

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-13 15:14:10 +0000

I'm guessing Rory's other boards are exclusively flat. Maybe because the discussions tend be more like IM sessions, or IRC rooms (??). I prefer threaded. Interesting how Rory can't adapt.

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 17:54:53 +0000

It seems like some people don't seem to realize there are even options. Hence the post. I'm just a fan of a simple, standardized format that avoids confusion and fosters communication. But, ya know, obviously I must be an idiot.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-13 17:57:52 +0000

I can honestly say responding to posts other than the posts you are responding to, adds confusion

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:02:00 +0000

Dude.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-02-13 18:05:28 +0000

RS: CC likes being contrary. It's best to just ignore him. Come to think of it, most of the people on this board like being contrary, so I suspect your hue and cry to get a "standardized" format on the board might fall on deaf ears.

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:53:54 +0000

Not sure if contrary is quite the word... Why am I able to edit this and not others? Do I care if I can edit at all?

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-13 18:24:25 +0000

Conor's not being contrary, he's being right.

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:28:26 +0000

Yeah, what was I thinking, you guys are like the Wizards of the Internet or something.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-13 18:41:09 +0000

I'm trying to be harmonious. The standardized format already exists. It is to use the 'reply' feature in a threaded list. Why "ignore" this and create confusion?

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:43:01 +0000

I am making a case that the agreed method of replying, which is not standardized, on this board is unnecessary and confusing. If you want to standardized where you can reply to someone replying to a post...than do it, because as of right now we are essentially looking at two different boards.

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-13 18:48:09 +0000

You warp time, I warp space.

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-13 18:48:31 +0000

...who's gravity is greater?

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-13 18:48:42 +0000

whose?

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-13 18:49:21 +0000

That's the name of my next side project. I think you've got a handle on this threading thing, Rory. We're having TWO CONVERSATIONS AT ONCE!

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:49:54 +0000

It's your board dude.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-13 18:50:59 +0000

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Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-13 18:51:07 +0000

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Posted by tgl on 2007-02-13 18:52:37 +0000

Our. Content is King.

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:54:40 +0000

See above.

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:56:39 +0000

"Whose" is the name of your next side project?

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 18:59:50 +0000

So are you giving people the choice of view just so you can make fun of them?

Posted by tommy on 2007-02-13 19:12:59 +0000

Viewing the list in a flat mode shouldn't cause any problems for anyone. In fact, it should be impossible for anyone else to even tell. Even in flat mode, though, each post has its own "reply" link. Just click "reply" next to the post you want to reply to. Flat-listers will see the post at the end, and threaded-listers will see the post interleaved as appropriate. I'm not sure what people are disagreeing about. View it however you want, and reply to the post to which you are replying. Right? Am I missing something?

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-13 19:24:38 +0000

Re: Rory / 10D / CC / MC et. al posting controversy, being clear / being contrary: Does someone need MF DÜ to come in and cut someone's face? Cause I'll do it if need be!

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-13 19:48:31 +0000

"I'm not sure what people are disagreeing about" "I'm back to Flat List expanded. If you can't tell what I am replying to I'm sorry but I much prefer seeing posts in the order they happen. I'll quote you if I have to."

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-13 19:52:41 +0000

'So are you giving people the choice of view just so you can make fun of them?' I'd have to side with Rory on this. Rideside in the past offered choices that if one individual user took advantage of, other users would deride the individual user for choosing it. (I'm thinking specifically of signatures) I dont know ultimately if people are making fun of Rory, but if its on the menu, you should be able to order it without the waiters, other staff or diners giving you crap for asking about options that are presented to you.

Posted by G lib on 2007-02-13 19:57:31 +0000

Go right ahead, Rory. 's fine with me.

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-02-13 20:21:36 +0000

Me, too.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 04:31:32 +0000

Taking away the "flat list" option would be asking tgl to do more work in de-programing the board. He's done enough, so for sake of confusion and time, it would be best to just not use it. And if someone orders the lamb's blood sausage with pickled octopus chutney and a scoop of rum raisin ice cream on top, I am allowed make fun of them all I want.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-02-14 13:40:28 +0000

If I may, there's been a few "lurkers" Rory and I know about and the formatting of the board has been a generally confusing turn-off to said lurkers. If you guy's want to dig trenches around Rideside and keep it this way, fine. We didn't program the board or keep it running. We just think these lurkers could add a lot to the mix. And as it stands it's very confusing.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-14 13:55:31 +0000

You are entitled to view flat list if you want, and still not Nashua all over the board. Just click the little "reply" link under the message you wish to address, not the last one. And if you want to address multiple posts, address them separately, and with their proper reply links.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-14 13:56:51 +0000

I should have read Tommy's post before I posted this above. I'm an asshole.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-14 13:57:56 +0000

Only because you're all luddites.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2007-02-14 14:09:22 +0000

...can I put my two cents in and say that while I find neither format ideal, I see the benefits of both? The threaded list allows those who aren't always on the board to post relevant comments without having to quote others. The flat list is much easier on the eye and makes more immediate sense to people who are just joining the conversation - I can imagine that this is especially (for lack of a better word) intimidating to non-oldtimers. If we all commit to quoting - when necessary - previous posts, then the flat list could be the way to go. Again, just my two cents.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-02-14 14:11:44 +0000

TGL: any chance you could change "You're asailants" up at the top to read: "You can hang with us, but only if you're smart enough"?

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-14 14:15:58 +0000

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-14 14:31:35 +0000

Pamsterdam wins, again. Neither format is ideal. It's a problem of the medium, if we were all sitting in a living room, we wouldn't have this problem. How best to graphically represent a conversation among N parties? In a room, the last thing said tends to drive the conversation. But sidebars happen, and five people responding to the last post, then three people responding to the second of the first five responses (but before the last two of the first five are submitted) can make things confusing. Extensively quoting to give context ruins the flow of the page (in the same way the signatures do). The slow march to the right (mostly the narrowing of the post's bounds) is a bit annoying, though. I like that people tend to post in paragraphs, instead of the stream-of-consciousness style that more typifies a IM or IRC session. The lemmingtrail board isn't the sort of conversation-style I'm interested in following, I guess. It works for everyone if the "reply to the post you are replying to" is followed. You see a post you want to respond to, use the "reply" link just below it. This gives you the respond page, with the post to reference, and it maintains the flow of the conversation for those interested in following it that way.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-14 14:52:41 +0000

1. You should remove the fixed width restriction on display, we've been through this one as well.
2. Please don't encourage quoting, it's worse than signatures in its content dilution.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 15:19:28 +0000

WHY PUT IT ON THE FUCKING MENU IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-14 15:45:17 +0000

As you wish... I think I've just found the perfect solution to piss off everyone. <snark>Ahi tuna well done... right away sir!</snark>

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-14 15:46:37 +0000

A. Agreed. That's something I shouldn't be fiddling with at work. B. Agreed.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 16:17:23 +0000

Agreed.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 16:21:02 +0000

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 16:20:05 +0000

That is a question for the original designers of the drupal/8080, not rs.n.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 16:20:42 +0000

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 16:36:40 +0000

IMHO, it wouldn't matter if Jesus Christ himself created the board. Why is it ok for more seasoned posters to heap on all kinds of unecessary shit to less seasoned posters who are trying to be constructive and add to the conversation? This reminds me of the scene in Mr. Mom where all Michael Keaton wants to do is drop his blessed kids off at school only to be thwarted by a bunch of over zealous coupon clipping PTA Über moms that all tell him in a sing songy chorus that "you're doing it wrong"!

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 16:39:30 +0000

Exactly. I would say, "Jesus, what the hell were you thinking? You totally fucked up! The less seasoned posters don't know how to use the 'reply' key, and then give seasoned posters shit when they point out how confusing their posts are. This is so lame. Jesus Christ, go back to your cave and die again."

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 16:43:07 +0000

I vote yes on letting Rory posting however and whenever the fuck he wants to. Given the choice between that or no posts from Rory (and probably other new or potentially easily thwarted potential posters) at all, I find this to be a moot point.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 16:47:45 +0000

Fine. Then don't give us shit when we don't know what he's talking about.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 16:52:21 +0000

_______.

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-02-14 17:04:42 +0000

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 17:10:12 +0000

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-02-14 17:11:30 +0000

What... now the God damn "flat option" is gone? Thanks a lot for, you know, letting us HAVE and make our own CHOICES. You're all a bunch of liberal pinko communists.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 17:12:34 +0000

How about: "You can hang with us, but only if you have a pulse."

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 17:39:16 +0000

MF DU was complaining it was on the menu, but shouldn't be ordered. Also politically speaking, tgl's actions would fall under "closed minded, intolerant, fascist." Not "liberal" at all.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 17:14:36 +0000

Agreed

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-02-14 17:15:34 +0000

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 17:39:55 +0000

Thread of the year 2007!!!

Posted by tommy on 2007-02-14 17:44:25 +0000

I still don't get what the problem is. Why would anyone care how anyone else views this board? Really. Maybe I'm not smart enough to hang out on here. But maybe we're really not arguing about viewing, but instead arguing about how to reply (which seems like a totally separate issue to me). There seems to be only two possible ways of replying: 1) Click "reply" next to the post you're replying to. 2) Click "reply" next to some random other post. Are there people arguing that (2) is a good idea?

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 18:09:18 +0000

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 18:42:22 +0000

So do I, MF DU, but playing the devil's advocate on this one is making it hard, especially when we're trying to be harmonious.

Posted by Rideside Ref on 2007-02-14 18:32:12 +0000

There are two fouls on the thread. Unsportsmanlike baiting, offense. Unsportsmanlike baiting, defense. The fouls offset.

Posted by IAmAnAsshole on 2007-02-14 18:45:12 +0000

ASSHOLE!! Stop being a pussy.

Posted by IAmAnAsshole on 2007-02-14 18:45:26 +0000

ASSHOLE!! Stop being a pussy.

Posted by IAmAnAsshole on 2007-02-14 18:45:46 +0000

ASSHOLE!! Stop being a pussy.

Posted by IAmAnAsshole on 2007-02-14 18:45:55 +0000

ASSHOLE!! Stop being a pussy.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 18:51:24 +0000

I wasnt playing Devil's Advocate. When I was saying I, I was implying someone besides myself.

Posted by Rideside Ref on 2007-02-14 18:51:35 +0000

Lame fake account. Fifteen post penalty. Resume thread.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-02-14 18:52:26 +0000

Oh, right. I'm an idiot.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-02-14 18:59:41 +0000

no, not at all. I try not to respond to idiots. It was unclear and I was too lazy to spell it out. Must be the overt amount of tuna fish I ate an hour ago.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-14 19:00:43 +0000

Nashua.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-14 19:01:00 +0000

Nashua.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-02-14 19:01:28 +0000

Tommy's got it right here.

Posted by IAmAnAsshole on 2007-02-14 19:14:35 +0000

ASSHOLE!!

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-02-14 19:29:19 +0000

Wow, I'm going to have to own up to a little manipulation here because it was meant for the health of the board and now it seems...battle lines have been drawn. So on Rideside's birthday I decided to do my yearly invite to some people I was pretty sure would play well here. Ya know, I sort of like this place as opposed to the other places I may or may not go to. My initial post was an attempt to open up the format debate and also make people aware of the options that were at the bottom of their page. Apparently some people felt attacked and some people agreed with me. To the people who agreed with me...I'm sorry. My whining should not have fucked up your experience here. To the people who thought it was another opportunity to belittle my intelligence. You look like ass hole's. Here is what I know will not be my final thought on this but might come close. Tommy is pretty much right about stuff. It is a replying issue, my point is the time issue when you reply to a specific poster instead of replying to the entire post. When I came back to this thread today my point was illustrated in that I had to go back and read the entire thread to see all the new responses. I had to do this because Terry decided to standardize what he thinks is the best format. Fair enough. I did call for it didn't I. So from now on I will simply reply in the box at the end of the page and not reply to anyone specifically because in a large thread it would probably be lost. This thread is a very convoluted attempt at a FAQ for rideside.net:8080. If you are not scared off by this point you are nuts and should probably post here. Thank you.

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-14 19:31:27 +0000

POTD

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-02-14 19:35:02 +0000

A+.

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-14 19:35:42 +0000

View as you like. Sorry, MF DÜ

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-02-14 19:41:21 +0000

Thank you for returning the viewing options, and our RIGHT TO CHOOSE! Power to the people, indeed!

Posted by Miriam on 2007-02-14 22:44:14 +0000

Okay, I've been working since this thread started, and 77 posts later, where I reply looks different than before, so I hope I'm responding generally, and not to the last post I read. So glad that I did follow all of that, so I guess that makes me as smart as at least some of you, perhaps smarter than others. Not that it matters here, or anywhere else. Glad to be part of this community, and glad that our parlor conversations are flowing regardless of how they appear to flow on screen.

Posted by tgl on 2007-02-15 00:05:50 +0000

about Canadian pronunciation, please! "A Boot".