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Posted by rladew on 2004-09-07 16:29:20 +0000

The End Of The Century

BQ and I saw the Ramones doc. ystrday. Really a lot of fun (especially when Dee Dee "tried" to communicate) Wont ruin the best, or at least, my favorite parts, but I thouroughly enjoyed: - the arguments / squabbling - the stories / anecdotes from Legs Mcneil - the performance footage - Joey's eternal optimism Quig and I retired to a sports bar afterwards and came to an agreement that while the DIY is a great and encouraging concept for anyone who loves music to seize the moment and start a band - that the same DIY has a downside of sending a message that anyone (and everyone without talent) can start a band, stay around for 20 years without any work and be a success. The DIY is good as a catalyst, but hard work and developing talent are prerequisites to keep the momentum going. The lament here were the google of god-awful bands who thought that they too could be the ramones when they really should have been spending their extra time practicing or developing skills to be themselves if they want to be in a band. The most recent Chunklet also comes to mind when they were cursing out Slint's Spiderland. a great album? No doubt... but without it imagine all the trite bands we wouldn't have to deal with...

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-09-07 16:39:07 +0000

That's the fourth time I've heard of Spiderland in the past two weeks, having never heard of it before...

Posted by tgl on 2004-09-07 17:07:32 +0000

We'd rather you not listen to it, you might start up a third-rate emo band.

Posted by rladew on 2004-09-07 18:57:03 +0000

Here, Here. terry. Make sure Dawn NEVER hears this album :)

Posted by frame609 on 2004-09-07 20:06:35 +0000

Funny- I think that 'Spiderland' is amazingly overrated (though 'Good Morning, Captain continues to be one of my favorite songs.) Rich, which bands got the message that you could play for twenty years, not work, and be successful? Seems like a lot of hyperbole to me.

Posted by rladew on 2004-09-07 20:25:45 +0000

I would argue its more than a figure of speech good old F Man. We of all people should know: How many boring / rote opening bands have you had to sit through in your life? anyone can pick up a guitar, but not everyone SHOULD. I know there is a degree of snottiness here, but the DIY thing is great as a catalyst, but to keep it goin, you need more. BQ and I (I think at least) agreed that John Hyman and company had more than the popular notion of DIY....

Posted by tgl on 2004-09-07 20:27:01 +0000

[quote:8a114b351e="frame609"]Rich, which bands got the message that you could play for twenty years, not work, and be successful? Seems like a lot of hyperbole to me.[/quote:8a114b351e] Jandek?

Posted by tgl on 2004-09-07 20:28:23 +0000

Oops, sorry, missed the "successful" bit.

Posted by frame609 on 2004-09-07 20:47:13 +0000

'Success' totally eliminates the Jandek bit. Hoo-ha! Seriously, though, I tend to think that the Sex Pistols and the British stuff did more to spawn crummy DiY bands than the Ramones did, at least initially (though the Ramones were hugely inspirational to the first wave of Brit UK bands- the Clash, Sex Pistols, Damned, etc. etc.)

Posted by frame609 on 2004-09-08 07:51:27 +0000

(Having re-listened to the Slint record, I do have to say that it's not as overrated as I thought.)

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