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Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-21 13:16:35 +0000

I'd discuss if somebody just posted the list here.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-21 13:16:51 +0000

Zzz... Citizen Kane (boring!)... Casablanca (decent but what's the big deal?)... Raging Bull (Scorsese's Worst film?) I'm sorry I really and truely only loved 2 of the top 7. Great to see the new stuff getting into the mix: Yeah - Shawshank, Do the Right Thing, etc. And nice to see the worthy old stuff getting their due: Yeah - The Searchers, Duck Soup, Sullivan's Travels and The General (never seen it though). Butch and Sundance drop 23 places? Inexcusable! Rushmore? I need Taxi Driver and Raiders to get into the top 10 before I take these guys seriously.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 13:16:59 +0000

did you click on the .pdf link?

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-21 13:18:47 +0000

1 CITIZEN KANE 1 0 2 GODFATHER, THE 3 1 3 CASABLANCA 2 -1 4 RAGING BULL 24 20 5 SINGIN' IN THE RAIN 10 5 6 GONE WITH THE WIND 4 -2 7 LAWRENCE OF ARABIA 5 -2 8 SCHINDLER'S LIST 9 1 9 VERTIGO 61 52 10 WIZARD OF OZ, THE 6 -4 11 CITY LIGHTS 76 65 12 SEARCHERS, THE 96 84 13 STAR WARS 15 2 14 PSYCHO 18 4 15 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY 22 7 16 SUNSET BLVD. 12 -4 17 GRADUATE, THE 7 -10 18 GENERAL, THE N/A 19 ON THE WATERFRONT 8 -11 20 IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE 11 -9 21 CHINATOWN 19 -2 22 SOME LIKE IT HOT 14 -8 23 GRAPES OF WRATH, THE 21 -2 24 E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL 25 1 25 TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD 34 9 26 MR. SMITH GOES TO WASHINGTON 29 3 27 HIGH NOON 33 6 28 ALL ABOUT EVE 16 -12 29 DOUBLE INDEMNITY 38 9 30 APOCALYPSE NOW 28 -2 31 MALTESE FALCON, THE 23 -8 32 GODFATHER PART II, THE 32 0 33 ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST 20 -13 RANK FILM 1997 CHANGE SEEN IT OR NOT 34 SNOW WHITE AND THE SEVEN DWARFS 49 15 35 ANNIE HALL 31 -4 36 BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI, THE 13 -23 37 BEST YEARS OF OUR LIVES, THE 37 0 38 TREASURE OF THE SIERRA MADRE, THE 30 -8 39 DR. STRANGELOVE 26 -13 40 SOUND OF MUSIC, THE 55 15 41 KING KONG 43 2 42 BONNIE AND CLYDE 27 -15 43 MIDNIGHT COWBOY 36 -7 44 PHILADELPHIA STORY, THE 51 7 45 SHANE 69 24 46 IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT 35 -11 47 STREETCAR NAMED DESIRE, A 45 -2 48 REAR WINDOW 42 -6 49 INTOLERANCE N/A 50 LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, THE N/A 51 WEST SIDE STORY 41 -10 52 TAXI DRIVER 47 -5 53 DEER HUNTER, THE 79 26 54 M*A*S*H 56 2 55 NORTH BY NORTHWEST 40 -15 56 JAWS 48 -8 57 ROCKY 78 21 58 GOLD RUSH, THE 74 16 59 NASHVILLE N/A 60 DUCK SOUP 85 25 61 SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS N/A 62 AMERICAN GRAFFITI 77 15 63 CABARET N/A 64 NETWORK 66 2 65 AFRICAN QUEEN, THE 17 -48 66 RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK 60 -6 67 WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF? N/A 68 UNFORGIVEN 98 30 69 TOOTSIE 62 -7 70 CLOCKWORK ORANGE, A 46 -24 71 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN N/A 72 SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION, THE N/A 73 BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID 50 -23 RANK FILM 1997 CHANGE SEEN IT OR NOT 74 SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, THE 65 -9 75 IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT N/A 76 FORREST GUMP 71 -5 77 ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN N/A 78 MODERN TIMES 81 3 79 WILD BUNCH, THE 80 1 80 APARTMENT, THE 93 13 81 SPARTACUS N/A 82 SUNRISE N/A 83 TITANIC N/A 84 EASY RIDER 88 4 85 NIGHT AT THE OPERA, A N/A 86 PLATOON 83 -3 87 12 ANGRY MEN N/A 88 BRINGING UP BABY 97 9 89 SIXTH SENSE, THE N/A 90 SWING TIME N/A 91 SOPHIE'S CHOICE N/A 92 GOODFELLAS 94 2 93 FRENCH CONNECTION, THE 70 -23 94 PULP FICTION 95 1 95 LAST PICTURE SHOW, THE N/A 96 DO THE RIGHT THING N/A 97 BLADE RUNNER N/A 98 YANKEE DOODLE DANDY 100 2 99 TOY STORY N/A 100 BEN-HUR 72 -28

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-21 13:23:31 +0000

Just post the fucking thing because I don't want to sign up/join AFI. (oops, thanks Conor) For the guy who claims he never watches movies: I've seen 45 of their 100. "Raiders of the Lost Ark" at 66! Pfft! Best Spielberg movie by a long shot.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 13:32:46 +0000

The list is better than all the other organizations out there that assemble "best 100 American films" lists (ie. none), and it got us to start talking about film. Im happier to have it than to not, and I really like the "film clip" shows they have. Do I align completely with the choices and numbers? Definitely not. Watch Citizen Kane again for the scene in the beginning before the wealthy estate guys take CFK from his natural born mother to his wealthy adoptive parents. The scene is so freakin amazing from an editing standpoint - it starts with a tight shot of CFK playing outside in the snow and keeps going back - back - back until the camera picks up all the events in the house and throughouth the entire scene there are no cuts whatsoever. Sergio Leone did a similar thing with a crane shot in the beginning of Once Upon a time In The West where the camera starts looking at a character in a window, and then without cutting goes straight up over the house and follows the character out the back of the house and into the throngs of people in the city. A vast majority of popular American movies of the past 30 years are all about cut, cut, cut , cut. I'm glad Kane is #1 and I can't imagine finding this film boring.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 13:26:35 +0000

Duel

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 13:30:46 +0000

boo fuckin hoo by the way - you dont have a fake email address in the year 2007? Not only that, but I posted the URL to an actual .pdf and not a bot collecting e-mail addresses. Ive cleared my cookies and temporary internet files like 4 times so far and it it takes me to the list. I dont get it.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-21 13:50:16 +0000

This list is complete bullshit. The fact that "The Empire Strikes Back," "Back to the Future," "Close Encounters of the Third Kind," "The Sting," and "This is Spinal Tap," aren't represented on this list yet such pandering dreck like "The Shawshank Redemption," "The Sixth Sense," and "Forrest Gump" are, basically says this list can't ever be taken even remotely seriously. "Pulp Fiction" was nothing more than a glossy rewrite of the tauter "Reservoir Dogs" (another noteworthy exclusion). Pass.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 13:50:28 +0000

Glad I could bring a ray of sunshine into everyone's lives.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-21 13:53:55 +0000

"(ie. none)"??? I don't know what this means. So it's great editing if there are no cuts? The Citizen Kane shot is a masterpiece, but "from an editing standpoint" nothing happens. There is a better 'no cut' shot in 2005's 'Waiting'. I could have half a dozen espressos and my body would still find a way to fall asleep 45 minutes into Citizen Kane. I really dig Shawshank Redemption. Sappy I know.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-21 13:56:01 +0000

I had to register at AFI (through bugmenot) to get to this list you posted.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 14:03:02 +0000

It means who else is coming up with lists of 100 top films that people discuss besides AFI? If there are other film organizations or foundations that do this on a formal level, I haven't heard of them. I will have to Netflix 'Waiting' - haven't seen it.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-21 14:02:21 +0000

Wikipedia lists the original 100, and the ones that got bumped off and added this time around. Guess "Close Encounters" was on that one. "Amadeus," "Patton" and "Fargo" also originally on the list, not any more (fine choices there). But if you're going to go ahead and give it "Citizen Kane" then don'tcha probably hafta include other technique movies like "The Jazz Singer," "Birth of a Nation," and "Fantasia" somewhere in there as well (10 years ago they were). Fuck it here's the ones that got bumped off so we could include such stultifyingly ponderous filmmaking like "Lord of the Rings": 39. Doctor Zhivago (1965) 44. The Birth of a Nation (1915) 52. From Here to Eternity (1953) 53. Amadeus (1984) 54. All Quiet on the Western Front (1930) 57. The Third Man (1949) 58. Fantasia (1940) 59. Rebel Without a Cause (1955) 63. Stagecoach (1939) 64. Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977) 67. The Manchurian Candidate (1962) 68. An American in Paris (1951) 73. Wuthering Heights (1939) 75. Dances With Wolves (1990) 82. Giant (1956) 84. Fargo (1996) 86. Mutiny on the Bounty (1935) 87. Frankenstein (1931) 89. Patton (1970) 90. The Jazz Singer (1927) 91. My Fair Lady (1964) 92. A Place in the Sun (1951) 99. Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967)

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 14:04:27 +0000

should there be some sort of rideside ref penalty for using the words "stultifyingly ponderous" together? ;)

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-21 14:05:40 +0000

Chortle

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-21 14:08:25 +0000

British Film Institute's Top 100 (equally shaky): The Third Man (1949) Brief counter (1945) Lawrence of Arabia (1962) The 39 Steps (1935) Great Expectations (1946) Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949) Kes (1969) Don't Look Now (1973) The Red Shoes (1948) Trainspotting (1996) The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) If... (1968) The Ladykillers (1955) Saturday Night and Sunday Morning (1960) Brighton Rock (1947) Get Carter (1971) The Lavender Hill Mob (1951) Henry V (1944) Chariots of Fire (1981) A Matter of Life and Death (1946), The Long Good Friday (1980) The Servant (1963) Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994) Whisky Galore! (1949) The Full Monty (1997) The Crying Game (1992) Doctor Zhivago (1965), (a US production) Monty Python's Life of Brian (1979) Withnail and I (1987) Gregory's Girl (1980) Zulu (1964) Room at the Top (1958) Alfie (1966) Gandhi (1982) The Lady Vanishes (1938) The Italian Job (1969) Local Hero (1983) The Commitments, (1991) A Fish Called Wanda, (1988) Secrets & Lies, (1996) Dr. No, (1962) The Madness of King George, (1994) A Man for All Seasons (1966) Black Narcissus (1947) The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943) Oliver Twist (1948) I'm All Right Jack (1959) Performance (1970) Shakespeare in Love (1998) My Beautiful Laundrette (1985) Tom Jones (1963) This Sporting Life (1963) My Left Foot (1989) Brazil (1985) The English Patient (1996) (a US production) A Taste of Honey (1961) The Go-Between (1971) The Man in the White Suit (1951) The IPCRESS File (1965) Blowup (1966) The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner (1962) Sense and Sensibility (1995) Passport to Pimlico (1949) The Remains of the Day (1993) Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971) The Railway Children (1970) Mona Lisa (1986) The Dam Busters (1955) Hamlet (1948) Goldfinger (1964) (a joint UK-US production) Elizabeth (1998) Goodbye, Mr. Chips (1939) A Room with a View (1985) The Day of the Jackal (1973) The Cruel Sea (1952) Billy Liar (1963) Oliver! (1968) Peeping Tom (1960) Far from the Madding Crowd (1967) The Draughtsman's Contract (1982) A Clockwork Orange (1971) Distant Voices, Still Lives (1988) Darling (1965) Educating Rita (1983) Brassed Off (1996) Genevieve (1953) Women in Love (1969) A Hard Day's Night (1964) Fires Were Started (1943) Hope and Glory (1987) My Name Is Joe (1998) In Which We Serve (1942) Caravaggio (1986) The Belles of St. Trinian's (1954) Life is Sweet (1990) The Wicker Man (1973) Nil by Mouth (1997) Small Faces (1995) Carry On up the Khyber (1968) The Killing Fields (1984)

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-21 14:10:00 +0000

A decent top film list. I agree with MC here, and I understand the impetus to put Citizen Kane on top. But after 2 watchings through (and at least 3 other attempts, one of which was in class!) it just doesn't work for me, and I will look for people (and lists) that I find more accurate.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-21 14:11:34 +0000

"Waiting" is not a great film, but it has good humor, running jokes, and one kick ass, 3 minute, no cut shot.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 14:18:39 +0000

It wasn't my intent to boil down Kane's essence to gimmicky one off "techniques", but every scene in that film had something insane going on in it that most people never think of doing and I would argue they all come together to help tell the story - for example Orson Welles not being able to get the right perspective of two characters talking to one another from the right angle. Instead of giving up or scrapping the scene, Welles transcends convention by ripping up the floor of the lot, digging a hole, and places the camera in the hole and shoots each actor from foot level. The scene has an uneasy and awkward feel that goes along with the story of the two characters confrontation. Another example would be filming scenes and then throwing dirt and rubbing the filmstock with sandpaper to give viewers an authentic "news reel" experience. We see that Charles Foster Kane is a man endlessly debated and focused on by the mass media of that time. And completely seperate from the innovative elements of filmmaking above, how is the story (mostly true and based on the rise and fall of publishing giant William Randolph Hearst) at all boring?

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 14:20:23 +0000

England is not America

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-21 14:22:23 +0000

IMDB is not a film organization or a foundation that distributes a formal list.

Posted by jbcardinale on 2007-06-21 14:35:54 +0000

A Clockwork Orange is on the American and British lists, I would not consider it an American movie even if it was financed by an American studio. Oh, and also Lawrence of Arabia. Recently re-watched The 39 Steps by AH, just brilliant.

Posted by tommy on 2007-06-21 16:49:51 +0000

I've only seen 33 of these. In my (correct) opinion, the following "Top-100" movies are not any good at all: Star Wars The Graduate Some Like It Hot Dr. Strangelove A Clockwork Orange

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-06-21 16:56:56 +0000

I watched The Graduate again last summer and giggled straight through it like a little schoolgirl.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-21 22:18:37 +0000

Bold statements, but I kinda agree with you on "Some Like It Hot" and "A Clockwork Orange."

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-22 00:52:21 +0000

Complete and utter disagreement. Tommy might not be right about his first thing. 'The Graduate'? Perfect dialog, great music, but most importantly it defined a generation AND a genre.

Posted by tommy on 2007-06-22 07:26:41 +0000

I found The Graduate totally boring and unfunny. Maybe I should give it a second chance... perhaps I was just in a bad mood when I saw it or something. "Defined a generation", huh? I didn't find the younger characters sympathetic at all... just shallow. Unless maybe that's what you mean. From that list, I would say Easy Rider would better capture that generation.... but my mom was a total hippie, and that might color my point of view. Of course it's all relative, I suppose. We found out that a guy that lived down the hall from M in college wrote the screenplay for a movie in 2003, and we watched it last night: "National Lampoon's Dorm Daze". I'm sure you can imagine how bad it was. Not that we expected much out of it, but according to M, the guy was genuinely a funny guy in college. So, when I said that, say, Star Wars was 'no good at all', I should have said something like 'mediocre'.

Posted by tommy on 2007-06-22 07:27:43 +0000

Shit, were you having a slumber party and I wasn't invited???

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-22 11:11:56 +0000

We forget that most people were NOT hippies in the 60's. I suppose the hippies may have defined the 60's in some ways, but the majority of twenty-somethings were Benjamin Braddock types: Good intentioned but direction-less slackers that knew formal etiquette and 50's gender roles, but also didn't care nor act on it. Shallow characters maybe, but 'Joe from Ohio' empathizes more with Benjamin than Wyatt from "Easy Rider".

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-22 11:30:17 +0000

I guess the question I would have is: Is it more commendable to empathize with Peter Fonda as opposed to Dustin Hoffman? I really wanted to like Easy Rider and there are certain fantastic scenes, like when Wyatt/Fonda casts his wristwatch to the desert ground, but a lot of it was non plot-driven psychadelia - which is fine - but if we're going to open the floodgates for that , the visual lunacy of David Lynch should also be given more space / consideration IMHO. As far as overall storytelling is concerned, The Graduate would win hands down. In Easy Rider The watch scene, The Nicholoson cameos, and the "We blew it" speech are all great, but to me they weren't tied together in a cohesive story like The Graduate was. Just because the characters in Easy Rider might have been more off-put / pissed off than Braddock doesn't really elevate them to a better plain than Braddock. For that matter - what are any of the characters in either film doing to make the world a better place? They are all on some level unhappy or wanting more from the world they live in, but at least in my eyes it seems to stop there - nothing is really "done" about their unhappiness.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-22 11:32:16 +0000

For the record - I wanted to issue an apology - I went home last night and the link doesn't work - there must be a cookie I didnt erase correctly.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-22 11:38:09 +0000

I didn't see the first part of the show (like the clip reviews for 100 - 50 or so), but I guess there was a commercial break in that time frame that displayed Warner Brother's new trailer for theFall 2007 5 DVD set release of Blade Runner final cut. All the youtube submissions of the trailer have already been curbed by the rabid litigous entertainment folk, but I have to admit Im excited by the prospect of again seeing the version with all of the Harrison Ford narration as well as all the deleted scenes et. al. Mahatma - do you still have my DVD copy of this? I can't remmeber...

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-22 12:14:38 +0000

Yeppers... the DVD is here at Wadsworth... maybe we can bring to camp?

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-22 12:32:12 +0000

cool - no prob.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-25 11:21:33 +0000

Either the lawyer folk have relaxed or the fans are putting up too many submissions for the WB suits to quell: Enjoy. Wake Up. Time To Die. More Human Than Human.

Posted by G lib on 2007-06-26 13:50:33 +0000

We have this on VHS, if anyone wants to borrow it.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-06-26 14:03:06 +0000

Is it the one where Harrison Ford is narrating / talking through the whole thing? If so, I'll send you a postpaid box circa: Pronto. I have been looking for that version and I dont think it ever made it past VHS format wise...