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Posted by ConorClockwise on 2007-06-30 02:54:59 +0000

Educational and good listening. (Is that really on vinyl?)

Though I'll take the sample from James Brown's drummer, Clyde Stubblefield, on "Funky Drummer" as the Greatest.
Best use of 'Funky Drummer': "Lyrics of Fury" off of Eric B. and Rakim's 'Follow the Leader' album.
Didn't change hip-hop as much as NWA's 'Straight out of Compton' (w/ Amen Break), but perhaps the better song.

I still dream of finding the 'Funky Drummer' 45 vinyl in some rustic used record store.

Posted by tgl on 2007-06-30 09:40:30 +0000

Not on vinyl, but a great visual to accompany the narration.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-06-30 10:00:36 +0000

Simply amazing. I don't even know what to say. Thanks for sharing that.

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-06-30 10:53:15 +0000

I think the narration was pressed to an acetate -- said something about that in there somewhere.

Posted by deejayhubris on 2007-06-30 12:24:00 +0000

'Funky Drummer' is available on a 12" inch repress on Urban records, as is 'Amen Brother' (different label), have them. Thanks, Epoisses. I agree!

Posted by Rory_Stark on 2007-06-30 16:27:35 +0000

Also used in the "The Campaign For Real Time's" "Turn The Gun On Me".
Rex file, Break 173 from the 160dB Drum&Bass interface refill.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-06-30 21:18:33 +0000

Fantastic, I'm about to watch it for the second time to show the wife.

Posted by mr. mister on 2007-07-04 12:21:36 +0000

good to know. I don't know if that single beat created all of drum and bass though. That's like saying the 4/4 beat created rock and roll

Posted by tendiamonds on 2007-07-04 13:09:44 +0000

He's not saying that it's that beat, he's saying it's that sample specifically, which is far more significant... He's not saying drum and bass, though, he's talking about Jungle there.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-07-04 13:14:52 +0000

How did I sleep on this thread before? This is so boss. Goes well with the 'Can't Stop, Won't Stop' book of Hip Hop's history by Jeff Chang I am reading right now.

Steven Wright the narrator?

Posted by mahatma chani on 2007-07-05 16:48:51 +0000

That book is okay... I kinda wished it talked a bit more about the music, but the politics that was coinciding along with the musical revolution was, at the very least, engaging.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-07-05 20:02:31 +0000

Asking a music book to focus on the music and not politics?

You are sounding dangerously close to someone else on this board...

FWIW: The urban decay / cross bronx expressway motif in the beginning serves the story of Hip Hop quite well. I had no idea that road uprooted so many people Arthur Dent style. (Well, the Earth is still here, so maybe not quite Arthur Dent style, but I hope you know what I'm getting at here...)

The politics are always a huge piece of the development of music, but I think creative people create no matter what is going on around them. Hip Hop and Punk Rock may have been fanned by the flames of political discontent, but I dont think political discontent birthed these music forms all by itself.

To be way simplistic and unaturally argumentative, We have touched on this before, but I don't think Afrika Bambaata, John Lydon, Henry Rollins, Ian Mackaye, et. al would be pumping gas if Ronald Reagan wasn't president.

Posted by tgl on 2007-07-06 07:44:26 +0000

They wouldn't be pumping gas, but maybe we would we have more Limp Bizkit and Blink-182. Meaning, 80s hardcore without Ronald Reagan is a bit hard to grasp. (Similarly Sex Pistols without Thatcher... or were they before her time? Jimmy Carter created the Pistols, heh. Actually, The Sex Pistols voiced an irritation with Socialized UK... Professor?)

Trying to compartmentalize culture is absurd. I'm really interested in connections.

But then again, I'd like to think there are platonic ideals and that art can stand on beauty only.

I guess I'm most firmly against the extremes. You have to make room for both vantage points.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-07-06 08:34:24 +0000

Well put, TGL. Music stripped from culture and context is only half (or even much less sometimes) of the story.

It is probabaly a dumb thought on my end to wonder what if _________ never happened, because it <i>did</i> happen, and what happened directly affected the art that was created in response.

My main thought is that creative people are inherently creative.

Good thread, this one...

Posted by tgl on 2007-07-06 09:12:02 +0000

That might be the problem with outsider art. Creative stuff from creative people, but usually devoid of connections from any community. I'm thinking Henry Darger here, not Grandma Moses.

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-07-06 09:44:27 +0000

If you look at 1970's New York, it's not so much Carter as it is John Lindsay, the mayor. NYC was just devastated by strikes and taxes and 'white flight', which spawned punk *and* hip-hop. In London at roughly the same time, the same sort of stuff was happening AND the U.S. called in our lend-lease debt. Thatcher was part of it, but not all of it.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-07-06 10:01:06 +0000

Lindsay was before Koch?

Posted by Epoisses on 2007-07-06 10:29:12 +0000

Affirmative. Koch and Beame had to clean up Lindsay's mess.

Posted by MF DU on 2007-07-06 10:30:49 +0000

Time for more NYC reference material after I finish up 'Can't Stop, Won't Stop'!

Anyone have a good reccomendation for a book on the history of NYC?