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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-15 19:25:45 +0000

At least they got rid of the Uncle Tom, but Condi is worse...

Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-15 19:27:31 +0000

The poodle is the black man of the dog world

Posted by rladew on 2004-11-15 21:16:45 +0000

you guys are HOPELESS but I still like you all :) can a whie boy such as Dawn call an African American an Uncle Tom? I'm not sure that you "own" that term, Dawn.... _______________________________ “The outer space beings are my brothers. They sent me here. They already know my music.” --SUN RA

Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-15 21:38:50 +0000

Pokemon is a slave trader; Pikachu is a slave master!

Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-15 21:47:00 +0000

I was watching Saturday Night Live a couple of years ago (around when Belefonte made the comment to which Dawn is alluding) and this sketch me needing pampers. Really, John McCain is a comic genius.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-15 22:08:36 +0000

"Harry, A quick one-"

Posted by tgl on 2004-11-15 22:19:38 +0000

You're still planning on cracking an OE 40oz. and spilling some on the ground in homage of ODB, right?

Posted by tgl on 2004-11-15 22:21:02 +0000

There was a story on SNL on 60 Minutes a week or so ago (they actually picked the week that Ashley Simpson aired). The guest host has nearly as much creative control as Lorne Michaels, which I think is interesting.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-15 23:16:55 +0000

When I saw Powell speak at Lowell Memorial Auditorium in the Spring of 2000, the 15 to 20 protesters were all black, holding up signs like "Uncle Tom Go home," and "You sold me down the River." His speech was the most self serving thing I can remember, talking only about being knighted and his famous one liner to Gorbachev (which he said like five times). He even dodged the preplanned questions from the audience. I remember the second and third questions. The second was asked by a gay acquaintance of mine, David Kaleevis, who asked Powell why he supported the "Don't asked, Don't tell" policy given that the discrimination of blacks in the military proved unnecessary. Powell answered saying the two scenarios were "apples and oranges," and he then descibed how there is discrimination all over the place in the military: who gets to drive the tank, who parachutes, who sits in front of computers, that discriminating between soldiers makes for a better military. "It's a necessary evil." I'll never forget that line as he pointed to the next questioner. The third question was something like "Given that 90% of blacks vote Democrat, what aspects of the Republican party do you support, and how do they add up to you being a republican." Powell immediately went into the same rant that Bush did this year about how the Democrats take your votes for granted and don't deserve your votes. The person actually interupted Powell and asked him, "Then what aspects of the Republican platform do you support." Powell then said - and I'm not making this up - "All of it. It's the party of Lincoln. What's there not to like?" Huh? Why is he dodging these questions, when they were preplanned with the askers all sitting in the front row. David Kaleevis had told my mother and me that Powell even chose the questions. It was too awkward to descibe. Powell said good night immediately after the questions to almost no applause. The audience was easily 70% black, and everyone was looking around like someone had just farted. He got paid about five grand and looked stupid. Lastly, Michele Powell, Colin's daughter and my classmate in college, was quite notorious herself. She ran for president of Fletcher house, Middlebury's International House, but when she won, she refused to live in the dorm, because it wasn't nice enough. She was in the top 5 most stuck up people I met in my four years, and that's saying something.

Posted by rladew on 2004-11-15 23:25:53 +0000

you just proved my point again Dawn... _______________________________ “The outer space beings are my brothers. They sent me here. They already know my music.” --SUN RA

Posted by rladew on 2004-11-15 23:30:57 +0000

Im not calling ODB a welfare recipient or a drug dealer or whatever... A general salute of someone I respect is all... (and BTW the local Hess had nothing but Bud so it didnt happen anyway...) Of course Im out of my leahue and not in my peer group talking about ODB, but when yr sad someone dies and you try to give that person some respect, I dont see that as political at all... Why should Dawn get to stereotype CP as an African American who is selling out his people and assess, as a white male, how CP's progress to move the black race forward is? This stereotyping has gotta stop... _______________________________ “The outer space beings are my brothers. They sent me here. They already know my music.” --SUN RA

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-15 23:40:01 +0000

I'm just the messenger...

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-15 23:42:47 +0000

Which is....

Posted by uncle on 2004-11-16 05:29:14 +0000

This McCain talk leads me to mention something that I was thinking about. McCain is pretty much an undefeatable candidate if they actually let him run (which the pubs have not because he has come out against tobacco over and over). And since most of us agree that a step aways from the 2 party thing would be great for our political process- let's picture an unlikely scenario. Let's say that once again, McCain fails to get support from the RNC and the religious base to defeat a relative political inferior in the 2008 primaries (much as he did in pretty much the past 3 previous primaries). What if he jumped ship and ran as an independent? Would you vote for him? Would his choice of running mate seriously effect your decision?

Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-16 14:45:13 +0000

What if he ran as a Dem with Obama?

Posted by tgl on 2004-11-16 14:56:00 +0000

The problem with McCain (and for all we know Powell) with Democrats is the abortion issue. You don't see too many pro-birth Democratic candidates.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-17 05:30:17 +0000

Don't we call that Pro-life still?

Posted by tgl on 2004-11-17 14:52:03 +0000

Saw this great NOW with Bill Moyers, an interview with Sr. Joan Chittister. She was describing how she felt that some Pro-Lifers are for the birth of the child above all else, but after the birth, are happy to abandon it, turning their back on it's hunger, poverty, lack of education, so forth. Also has to do with those Pro-Lifers that are also Pro-Death Penalty. Huh?! So, I've adopted (excuse the pun) it: Pro-Birth.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-17 17:23:10 +0000

Okay, I follow...

Posted by rladew on 2004-11-17 18:18:17 +0000

I'm ENTIRELY staying out of whether Abortion is right or wrong morally. I do advocate that it be removed as a political issue entirely, but who the F+++ listens to me anyway? If it is gonna be political and in our legislature, which is a sad fact of life we have to get used to old men in suits assigning what people will and wont do with their bodies, the only way to resolve this is to go to one extreme or the other with NO EXCEPTIONS. Obviously outlawing every single Abortion no matter what is infeasible, so I would legalize Abortions with no exceptions at all. The middle of the road for certain circumstances wont work... you're gonna tell people over here that they can get abortions while telling those people over there they cannot. So much for unity. Government has no business legislating morality. Its a shame that all of our politicians do... _______________________________ “The outer space beings are my brothers. They sent me here. They already know my music.” --SUN RA

Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-17 20:44:15 +0000

F the third trimester. It should be legal to abort dependent parasites until they are 18. You're not a legal life until you can vote. If you don't register to vote, you can be aborted at any age. All immigrants may be aborted.

Posted by G lib on 2004-11-17 21:58:21 +0000

TGL- It's not being pro-life OR pro-birth. What they actually are is anti-abortion. Not everyone who is anti-abortion is against birth control, i.e. pro-birth, trying to make birth happen. Fact is, outlawing abortion wouldn't help either 'life' or 'birth,' as most women would go back to seeking unsafe back-door abortions, which happened all the time pre-Roe. It would just mean that both women and fetuses would be more likely to die. Some anti-aborion activists don't see this as a bad thing. Abortion is a lightning rod for the right AND the left. And sorry to be defeatist about this-- but I don't think there's any hope that the issue will become de-politicized, EVER. Did you all know that one of the first things that Bush did when he got into office is to stop funding charitable organizations abroad that provided abortions? Do you know how debilitating that is for planned parenthood type organizations in Africa, Asia, Eastern Europe, Middle East, that distribute condoms, birth control, and do education, with the odd abortion here and there? They either had to stop, or lose their funding entirely. HAVE THEY HEARD OF AIDS? Seriously, how does this help anyone in those countries? It was done to help Bush solidify his support from the religious right, on a playing field that not many Americans care about. It was a shitty thing to do. It won't be de-politicized for a long time, because people are so polarized. My face gets red, and I start to sweat thinking about this topic, as I'm sure other anti-abortion people's does too. ________________ 100% Riot-Schtuffy!

Posted by tgl on 2004-11-17 22:34:58 +0000

The point I was trying to convey is that "pro-life" is sometimes a misnomer in the case of:

• a person who also advocates for capital punishment
• a person more interested in having the fetus come to term than the welfare of that life over the next 80 years

I'd use Pro-Birth in a derisive context, while recognizing that people of conscious can hold the conviction that Life begins at conception while simultaneously supporting reproductive rights for women. The Left should stop politicizing abortion the moment the Right does.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-17 22:37:06 +0000

The PC term is "Anti-Choice"

Posted by tgl on 2004-11-17 22:44:50 +0000

People bristle at being labeled "anti-". They might even like to be called "pro-birth" even though I'm using it in a completely negative connotation.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-17 22:55:18 +0000

What are you then? Pro-idiot?

Posted by rladew on 2004-11-17 23:56:21 +0000

EAT A DEAD QUEER fETUS FOR jesus!!!! _______________________________ “The outer space beings are my brothers. They sent me here. They already know my music.” --SUN RA