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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-02 01:06:41 +0000

I almost posted the exact same thing. What a joke...

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-02 15:44:49 +0000

I've been thinking about the lyrics to this song. I should probably look them up. The song is classically used in a nationalistic/jingoistic manner (not unlike much of Springsteen's work... remember that thread?), however, it's obviously a protest song. So if Bush actually _did_ like the song, would it be because he doesn't understand the songs lyrically meaning, in spite of, or in fact he agrees with the sentiment (even though he's sort of like a Senator's son). OK, here they are: lyrics. Incredible. He's more of a Bad Moon Rising sort. Old Testament, eye for an eye and what not.

Posted by rladew on 2005-03-02 17:50:33 +0000

Sigh... Im sure we all dont need another long arguing thread, but: I Love Listening To Staight Out Of Compton by NWA: since I understand the lyrics, but dont personally stand for what they are advocating, does that imply that I shouldnt listen to it or enjoy it? If a piece of entertainment criticizes or clashes with something I do in my personal or political life, its not as cut and dried as either being able to like it or not like it. I also think the idea that ANY politician that makes it to the Chief position in the country wouldn't have the intellect to understand a pop song is pretty silly..... In unrelated tangents the following lyrics from J. Robbins (Burning Airlines) Resonated w/ me: "I never dreamed I'd learn to love the taste of bitter fiction / The Ring of contradiction" Just my .02 _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-02 17:58:07 +0000

Sorry, man, just savoring the irony over here.

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-02 18:12:19 +0000

Re: Hail to the Chief Bush's genius (or knack at least) is political. Bush has an uncanny ability to comprehend people; I'd be willing to bet is reading comprehension is sub-par. Re: Lyrics as fantasy Straight Outta Compton. The lyrics must provide some enjoyment, right? Sure there are the beats, but that's just half of hip hop. A fantastical or fetishistic interest in East L.A. gang culture and enjoyment of said culture is one thing. (Not to mention if the enjoyment is removed to the locales of the lily white Northeast.) However, for a President that has committed his country to war without proper preparation, then to nod his head along to: Some folks inherit star spangled eyes, Ooh, they send you down to war, lord, And when you ask them, how much should we give? Ooh, they only answer more! more! more! A bit grotesque.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-03-02 18:15:48 +0000

This thread is operating on the article of faith that Bush actually hears and understands what he's nodding along to.

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-02 18:17:37 +0000

Possibly one of the reasons I don't listen to UNSANE much anymore.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-03-02 18:22:11 +0000

Hey is this that Ween song?

Posted by frame609 on 2005-03-02 18:49:23 +0000

I am understanding Dio's 'Holy Diver' very well right now.

Posted by rladew on 2005-03-02 20:19:18 +0000

Why / How Do you get to be the judge of this? I dont get it... _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-03-02 20:20:58 +0000

God Bless Dean and Gene. Pretty fuckin dismal world without them. Im gonna go listen to the 30+ min version of poopship destroyer now. bye. _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-02 20:25:31 +0000

Because I'm the one throwing stones...

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-02 20:53:59 +0000

Rladew wrote: "Since I understand the lyrics, but don't personally stand for what they are advocating, does that imply that I shouldnt listen to it or enjoy it?" No, you shouldn't.

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-02 20:59:13 +0000

That's a bit far. I completely understand that rladew enjoys NWA. I completely understand if G.W. enjoys CCR's "Fortunate Son". Let's not loose sight of the irony. . . . Me and Alanis, on the lookout.

Posted by G lib on 2005-03-02 21:10:34 +0000

Are you hungover, TGL? You're in rare form today. ________________ Like whoa...

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-02 21:16:22 +0000

I wish I was hungover. Sleep deprived, at most.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2005-03-02 21:32:13 +0000

I love it when a proverb recurs in a day... earlier today I was talking to [url=http://www.rideside.net/drupal/?q=node/1285]Tommy[/url] dissing on the MFY for their payroll and then I says, "People in glass stadiums..." Yada, yada, yada, I just like talking about Tommy is all.

Posted by rladew on 2005-03-02 22:03:59 +0000

With all due respect, that (to me ) is a bunch of humorless (not to mention elitist) crap. This assumes that all the kids listening to Rage Against The Machine (sorry for the less than stellar example my mind is jello by the end of the day) agree and understand all of the lyrics. Therefore if someone likes a bonecrunching riff and gives a huge 'fuck all' about what comes out of Mr. De La Rocha's mouth should never bother listening to them? I spose some kids might take the time and energy to delve into the politics, but come on! Strip away the semi warmed over Led Zep riffage and most of these kids are gone! I was raised as a Unitarian to "value the differences" amongst people. How are we "valuing the differences" of people's divirgent viewpoints by smarmily suggesting that if you dont agree with message X or message Y, that you shouldn't be interested or enjoy someone's work? I feel like adhering to this argument would turn all of us into a bunch of homogenous puppets. Its like saying we "value the differences" as long as everyone agrees with us.... _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-02 23:42:51 +0000

After reading the Wall Street Journal every day last week (we got it delivered for free from the Hotel), I realized that the word "elitist" has a new meaning in the WSJ opinion pages. It used to mean "one believes in a ruling group or class." Now, it means something like: "I think you're wrong, but I can't prove it, you're being stubborn, and I want to cut you down." In the above post, I'm reminded of when I posted about how the tax burden of the middle and lower classes has gone up under Bush, and how tough it can be to talk about. Rladew called that "elitism" as well. It was just so awkward, as I was clearly not advocating a ruling class, in fact nearly the opposite. Look, I'm all for evolving definitions of words (awesome, cool, fagan, etc.) but this new use of elitist and elitism is forced and useless. The irony here is that the Republican Party (the party the WSJ champions) is based partly on the idea of elitism: Representatives (or an elite group) should have more control, where as Democrats believe the Demographic (or the common people) should. Interesting to think about, especially when you realize we actually don't live in a democracy; we live in a Federal Republic. Those damn elitist Founding Fathers... Aside from that, I would argue that it assumes all the kids do not "agree and understand all of the (RATM's) lyrics." Seems more likely...

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-03 04:42:24 +0000

How is that too far? If you don't like NWA's message (and I think most people actually do), that's cool, but then to say you still enjoy it seems to overlook their lyrics. When I listen to Oi Polloi and other skinhead/hatecore, I would totally dig it if there were no lyrics. But there are, so I don't enjoy it and don't support it. Of course it's OK to listen to it, but to actually enjoy it? Seems weird...

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-03 04:47:41 +0000

We are all the judge of this.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-03-03 05:58:44 +0000

My Burzum CD has no lyrics. Having said that, buying the album is kinda supporting a neo-facist asswipe.

Posted by rladew on 2005-03-03 18:29:29 +0000

Please tell me how if you only listen to one point of view and make up your mind that all other points of view are incorrect that you are not being elitist. If someone else determines whats best for me or insists I cant do something because it doesnt fall into line with their ideology, I fail to see how you could call this anything other than elitism.... Cultural Condescension maybe???? Ill pose the question again: How can a group of people claim to "value the differences" but only do so if everyone agrees with their ideas? _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-03 19:13:59 +0000

No one is claiming to only listen to one point of view, or labeling other points of view as incorrect... No one on this board at least. "If someone else determines whats best for me or insists I cant do something because it doesnt fall into line with their ideology, I fail to see how you could call this anything other than elitism...." So all authority and government practice "elitism?" Please... "Ill pose the question again: How can a group of people claim to "value the differences" but only do so if everyone agrees with their ideas?" Rhetorical question: They can't. Where is this coming from? That said, do I have to agree with your ideology? Am I allowed not to value hate?

Posted by tgl on 2005-03-03 21:02:11 +0000

Too far being to say that someone shouldn't listen to music b/c the lyrical content is diametrically opposed to their personal views. Pointing out how weird it is completely OK in my book. In fact, I think I've already done that.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-03 21:21:08 +0000

Again, listening is one thing. Enjoying it is another...