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Posted by G lib on 2005-03-22 18:45:35 +0000

Rebuttal to Dawn saying that I'm perpetuating stereotypes...

Dawn, I wish that you had caught me perpetuating a stereotype, Dawn, instead of relaying the sad, sad reality of American Society. . I don't know if you know that it's been my lifelong dream to have a "work costume"/uniform that I could wear to work multiple days per week and still manage to be socially acceptable, leaving my creative clothes purchasing for my free time wear. . In fact, I think that my favorite work costume was from the time that I worked making tea for the BBC in Plymouth England. Every day they gave me a fresh baggy brown with light blue pinstripe housedress (just below the knee) and an similarly-colored apron to wear. The thing was UGLY, but I LOVED it. I could roll into work after an hour of sleep, look like hell, but still have an acceptable, clean, fresh outfit to wear that I didn't have to decide on. My love for this outfit was so great that I 'acquired' one when I left that job. . The truth is that the American Women's pants and skirts are not as uniform as mens' pants. Men's pants (almost) always have a pocket in which to put one's phone or wallet. Women's clothes are frequently not made that way. Either they are too tight-fitting, the pockets are too small, or they are completely pocket-less. Women can't rely on having a specific spot to put their wallet, keys, or cell-phone every day. . Hence the purse. . Hence the annoying cellphone ring. . Hence the sad, sorry state of gender roles in the United States-- it's all due to the pants. . Don't I wish you could be right, Dawn. (x-posted in my blog)

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-22 19:20:06 +0000
What you just described is a stereotype of dress in American Society. And you can wish I'm right, G...

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-03-23 16:16:53 +0000
Did I respond in the wrong place? Whoops... sorry, G. I got your back in the original section. x

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-03-23 16:18:14 +0000
"...a stereotype of dress"? When was the last time you went shopping for women's clothes, Dawn?

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-03-23 19:24:57 +0000
Everytime I go shopping... Do you really want a diatribe on society's restrictions for men's dress? Women have it so much better.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2005-03-23 19:35:04 +0000
Granted, women have more freedom of expression in business-dress, but men have more pockets. I have pocket-envy. Hardcore.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-03-23 19:43:14 +0000
This I gotta see......

Posted by burkee on 2005-03-23 23:44:38 +0000
G lib is right on about the ease of the work issued uniform! On the downside, the uniform tends to be more poly than cotton. That, according to my Mom, 6 days away from retirement...What, oh what, will become of her govt. garb? PS. Men's fashion, correct me if I'm wrong, has yet to really take advantage of lycra (NOT for tightness, or maybe sometimes... really just to add comfort and stretch to cotton).

Posted by burkee on 2005-03-24 00:19:18 +0000
PPS. Dawn has a good point too... www.imff.net/faq.shtml (ummm, still link impaired here, sorry)

Posted by frame609 on 2005-03-24 04:15:54 +0000
If you call Lycra an advantage.

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