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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-03 19:07:56 +0000

Awesome. (Saw it on drudge two days ago) Fuck Uncle Tom!

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-03 19:11:56 +0000

[jest]Im throwing lots of wonder bread at you the next time I see you![/jest] If i didn't close my command, that would've been an Infinite Jest! _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-03 19:44:28 +0000

Hey, it beats throwing bombs!

Posted by tgl on 2005-11-03 19:45:51 +0000

n-bombs?

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-03 20:28:09 +0000

Bingo!

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-03 20:54:40 +0000

Or you could write an editorial, stage a protest and behave like a decent human. Oh wait, I forgot: Politics trumps Race. my brain hurts. _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-03 21:43:53 +0000

Sorry, rladew, behaving like a decent human doesn't seem to be in the Rove/GOP play book. And Hey, when you sell out anything goes. Just ask Modest Mouse.

Posted by Miriam on 2005-11-03 22:34:17 +0000

In high school my friends and I would talk about what kind of bread we represented. Most of them were white bread, a couple where wheat, and I was rye.

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-04 00:28:33 +0000

what does Rove have to do with this? Unless its in playfulness or between 2 consenting adults, pelting oreos at someone equates to a weak way of carrying out your grievances. I am truly amused that people will defend this as justifiable behavior. _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-04 01:01:50 +0000

Rove style politics would never allow for acts of a decent humans. If the man is an Oreo, pelting him with oreos seems about right. And hilarious. Total comedy with a message! If the shoe fits...

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-04 01:32:58 +0000

Im sorry I find it stupid and juvenille not to mention racist. _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-04 03:08:06 +0000

Then don't mention racist. What's worse: supporting the political party that has disenfranchised, challenged votes, taken away rights, raised the tax burden, and hurt your race nationally or getting hit by a few cookies? Again if the shoe fits... South Park/Family Guy/Three Stooges/Eddie Murphy, etc, all stupid and juvenille, and I still them funny. But I guess it doesn't go over so well in politics...

Posted by tgl on 2005-11-04 14:47:25 +0000

Yes, it's offensive (like using a whisper campaign about the parentage of your opponent's adopted Vietnamese daughter during a Republican presidential primary in South Carolina), but why is it racist?

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-14 15:43:09 +0000

Howard Dean the Hypocrite: "I Don't Like that Stuff" _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 15:49:03 +0000

Why is he a hypocrite if he doesn't like that stuff? (We all read Drudge, rladew.)

Posted by tgl on 2005-11-14 15:51:43 +0000

I don't! I wait for the rladew/dawnbixtler filter to know which headlines are interesting.

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-14 15:58:10 +0000

self explanatory. He doesn't like it, but he wont condemn it. It seems to be ok if someone does it to someone not of his political ilk, but not ok if it happens to himself or someone of his political ilk. why is he afraid of speaking live together w/ the GOP chairman on Meet the Press, BTW? we've all seen the loud and outspoken presence Dean presented in the primaries. Was he afraid that sheer volume / decibel levels wouldnt drive his point accross on national tv if he had to try to talk over someone else? _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 16:13:31 +0000

"self explanatory. He doesn't like it, but he wont condemn it." I guess I'm losing track of what "it" is. The oreo cookies? But even in a general sense, do we have to condemn what we don't like? Sports teams don't like dirty players, but won't condemn the dirty players on their team. I have no idea why Dean won't go 1-on-1 with the GOP head. It does seem odd. It might be a temporary move, just to let the GOP's rot and fester in their current situation, without drawing attention to anything else. Honestly, Democrats might want to step aside and let the GOP fall apart. Have you seen Dean speak recently, very calm, almost sedate. But I miss the old Dean. People with passion without religion, tend to be my favorite people...

Posted by tgl on 2005-11-14 16:14:43 +0000

I've decided that asking people to condemn something they've said or something someone else has said is frighteningly similar to Political Correctness. Am I to believe that the most important issue of Maryland's Senate race is that Howard Dean won't wag is finger at some Democratic supporters? Another example of the runaway partisanship in America: Mehlman vs. Dean is more important then Cheney going on television and explaining why he thinks the CIA and Pentagan need to be able to waterboard suspects. On Hypocrisy: Seems like Dean doesn't like it when it happens to him, and doesn't like it when it's done to others. It's not clear that he's "condemned" the comments of those that have labeled him an anti-Semite. So, not very hypocritical. Finally: Still not sure that "Uncle Tom" is a racial epithet.

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 16:24:16 +0000

Ugly WashTimes piece. To claim "racist statements" and then not say what they are is verging on hack.

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-14 16:28:54 +0000

anyone with a pulse and the ability to read will remember the oreo story _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 16:33:11 +0000

Still, they claim "racist statements," but don't state any. Throwing an oreo is not a 'racist statement'. Calling someone an Uncle Tom is not a 'racist statement'.

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-14 17:01:02 +0000

in the book of Dawn maybe... what would the reaction be if a republican pelted Barrack Obama with anything? _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 17:22:35 +0000

"In the Book of Dawn" please... Throwing an oreo at someone does not suggest racial inferiority. It is racial; it is not racist. I don't think the WashTimes gets this. The Republican's do attack Obama with "anything".

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-14 17:32:31 +0000

you've failed to explain your opposition to my main point which is that throwing objects at people isnt a very professional way to intelligently dispute something you disagree with. are these democratic leaders responsible like 5 years old? They're not getting their way, and their oratorial skills arent working, so hey, lets start a food fight. For John Belushi=Awesome. For American politics=not so awesome. _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 17:41:29 +0000

I never said it wasn't professional. In fact I think I agreed with you here earlier.

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-14 17:46:46 +0000

OK time out from all this political seriousness... This thread has led me back (as most things do lately) to our favorite masked mc.... DOOM! [MF Doom] Aiyyo, I know this dude right Carl, he wore tight blue sweats but wasn't glued too tight All he had upstairs was a crude light You think that's weird? He lived next door to a food fight _______________________________

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 18:03:45 +0000

(Ghostface) When the wintertime comes I get stuck cause my brains all numb Like I ate a thousand icys / and frozen Pepsis Aqua man's pops can't get water check me Disrepect me, indirectly, I seen his feet and they both lefty, He steppin' half correctly. As I storm the globe, and terroize the planet with a Bill Cinton Mask And them play school handle, me and Doom, Always be the best, on the landin' Super heros for life or until our souls fanish.

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-14 18:06:27 +0000

dEFINITELY in the running for best cut of 2005... Mainstream rap will never catch up... _______________________________

Posted by cdubrocker on 2005-11-14 20:50:16 +0000

29 comments later...it may never have happened.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-11-14 20:54:19 +0000

How is calling someone an Uncle Tom- a black who kowtows to whites- not racist?

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-11-14 20:55:52 +0000

It does not infer racial inferior/superiority. Again, it is racial, not racist. Better question: how is it racist?

Posted by tgl on 2005-11-14 20:57:40 +0000

Not "classy" but "classic", natch. If you repeat it, it will be true.

Posted by frame609 on 2005-11-14 21:12:38 +0000

Stolen from wikipedia: In general, a racist practices the separation of groups according to race, and considers one's own race the most valuable and others less valuable. Is kowtowing to whites racist? Is discriminating agianst those who kowtow?

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-15 01:50:36 +0000

so relieved to know the even classier strategy of voicing dissent by keying people's cars was used instead of throwing oreos... _______________________________

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-15 02:05:35 +0000

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Posted by tgl on 2005-11-15 14:03:32 +0000

Luckily, 19 year olds rarely vote. To extrapolate from vandalism and hooliganism on the part of college students as damning evidence of the hypocrisy of the Democratic Party is a bit of stretch. I don't hold the GOP accountable becuase Kid Rock is a Republican... wait, maybe I do... The "Uncle Tom" epithet has more traction, though. I agree with db, it's a racial slur, not a racist slur. These sorts of things have a way of sorting themselves out. If enough of the electorate is offended, then, the Maryland Dems will reap what they sow. Not to confuse this issue with Trent Lott, he was pining for a segregationist president. That's a horse of a different color (no pun intended).

Posted by rladew on 2005-11-15 14:36:20 +0000

you guys always accuse me of handwaving. I feel like tgl and dawn are dodging the issue of what the Dems did by fingerpointing Rove or Lott. Im not talking about them. Im talking about that specific Maryland incident. as everyone on the list knows,Republicans do lots of reprehensible things, dut so do Democrats, and people are looking for Democrats to address this SPECIFIC Maryland incident, not rationalize their behavior by pointing to what other republicans are doing elsewhere. _______________________________

Posted by tgl on 2005-11-15 15:02:05 +0000

OK, fine, which is the specific Maryland incident? A) The unverified claim that "someone" threw Oreo cookies at Steele, a black man. B) Students keyed cars belonging to Ehrlich supporters. C) Mike Miller Jr. labeling Steele an "Uncle Tom" in 2001. I don't see why Dean should have to apologise for any of these incidents. A) It's not clear it actually happened as the aggreived party claimed. The alleged cookie throwing occured in 2002. See similar reasonings for B) and C). B) Although the Washington Times would like everyone to believe that all vandals and hooligans are Democrats, that ostrich doesn't fly. C) This happened in 2001! Talk about mining the past to score political points. Howard Dean was an unknown-Vermont-governor (redundant?) then. Criticising people for the language they use instead of the ideas they promulgate is too PC for my blood. To make an analogy: I don't think Trent Lott needed to apologize, in fact, I think it's ludicrous that he did. Does anyone believe he actually has reversed is feelings that a segregationist president would have been the best thing for this country?

Posted by tgl on 2005-11-15 15:08:56 +0000

I've crafted Dean's condemnation speech: "I'm truly sorry that Miller felt the need to speak his mind. Miller has done Maryland a grave disservice by providing the citizens of that great state an inkling of his contempt for certain State leaders. Even though I didn't know Miller in 2001, and most of the residents of Maryland couldn't find Vermont on a map before 2004, I take full responsibilty for Miller mouthing off like that. As leader of the Democratic National Committee, I will strive to keep my underlings from expressing their opinions in the future."