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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2006-02-02 08:09:01 +0000

One of G.W Bush's better moments...

... was appearantly Tuesday night's SOTU speech. Did anyone see it (I had class)? I read a couple commentaries, and I've skimmed the transcript. I'm impressed. Bush mentioned bin Laden by name (which I always give a thumbs up); legitimately talked about education; was truthful discussing his illegal wire-tapping saying, "Previous Presidents have used the same constitutional authority I have, and federal courts have approved the use of that authority. Appropriate members of Congress have been kept informed" (Note: he never claimed his acts were in fact legal, nor did he state he "briefed Congress"); told a decent joke about Bush Sr. and Clinton being great friends... but the best was the energy/oil/environment talk. If you told me in 1991 that George H.W. Bush's oil-business-failure-son was going to be president (of the country) and you told me that during a State of the Union speech, he would say "America is addicted to oil" (in a bad way) and talk about reducing our oil dependency, I would not have believed you. It's been a interesting 15 years hasn't it? I have this image of Bill Ford, CEO of Ford Motors, shaking in bed, watching Tuesday's SOTU speech, guzzling California Pinot Noir in his right hand, washing it down with Pepto-bismol in his left, whispering, "Not now, America can't really make cars now, we don't have the hybrid thing down yet, no corn oil engines, not now, not this decade, please..." (Note: I own Ford stock, hasn't been a banner 4 years.) So Bush got a bit over zealous with the numbers ('Most Awkward Opening Paragraph': 2006 nominee), but Kennedy did too in '62 with his pledge of going to the moon by '70 (something NASA wasn't prepared for). I'm going to give it up for G.W. this time. He's optimistic about a war he's going to win, but also about an energy policy.

Posted by buzzorhowl on 2006-02-02 09:24:15 +0000
I was talking about Bush in my class today- his rap about needing to lessen the U.S. dependency on foreign oil was the same speil being used during the oil shortage in 1970, and nothing has changed. Seriously: how convenient is it for Bush to mention a need for less reliance on oil during a winter when everyone is getting gouged on heating costs? Easy points in the polls. And I think the technology for hybrids is ready, but not yeat availible because every dollar needs to be milked out of oil first. No facts or basis- just a hunch.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2006-02-02 16:14:45 +0000
Hybrids are a sham and a fad. They are merely poorly appointed oil-burning cars that get better fuel economy and have a lot of space wasted on batteries. Don't believe the hype. Maybe fuel cells?

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2006-02-02 16:19:27 +0000
Every little bit helps though, and I wonder what the batteries will be like in 40 years.

Posted by tgl on 2006-02-02 16:26:20 +0000
I've also heard that there are non-hybrid vehicles that get better gas mileage than your Toyota Prius(',s,es ?) and the like. The problem with hydrogen fuel cells (are there other kinds?): * No hydrogen delivery infrastructure. * Hydrogen is even more dangerous to handle than gasoline. * The energy it takes to create hydrogen is enormous, the net result would be far less efficient than gasoline. Granted, it would make it easier to control pollution; transfering emissions from all those tailpipes to single smokestacks at the hydrogen factories. I'm ready for bio-diesel. Americans will have to accept lower performance standards in order to afford to drive cars.

Posted by cdubrocker on 2006-02-02 16:37:53 +0000
That last sentence...I would love to hear that in a SOTU. Second term, of course.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2006-02-02 16:49:38 +0000
Delivery infrastructure is going to be an issue for all non-electric vehicles. Electric is probably the way to go, once batteries are improved. With electric as well as any sort of fuel cell, you move the energy generation problem outside of the car. Currently, that's most likely to be oil dependent or nuclear. However, by separating them, the generation problem becomes modular, and as new technologies arise can become better aside from the development of the vehicles. Bio-diesel is not the answer. If I have an electric car, that I charge at home with solar panels, can I call it a solar car?

Posted by dawnbixtler on 2006-02-02 16:54:25 +0000
Haven't we already discussed this here at rs.n? Isn't the goal to generate hydrogen at home with your solar panel/wind farm/fusion system, and put a charged fuel cell to your car? Big oil hates the idea, one time shopping, but it makes sense. Even more presently reasonable than with the automobile, is the fuel cell in basements, generating electricity for offices and homes.

Posted by Null Protocol on 2006-02-02 17:13:19 +0000
I'm w/ 10 D on this - driving a hybrid right now is like having an ipod (apologies to bizquig and whoever pleases - still they got me like Jesus): It's a status symbol. You want a Prius because Larry David has one and because it looks cool on the highway. The altruistic motorist - that sounds like a phrase akin to fighting a sensitive war.

Posted by tommy on 2006-02-02 18:06:29 +0000
If I can be very vague for a minute... I saw an article once (not sure where) that claimed that over half of the pollution associated with an automobile is generated during its manufacture. I'm not sure what sort of weighting they put on various types of pollution (how much CO2 in the air equals an ounce of chromium in the water?). In any case, their argument was basically that it's sometimes better for the environment to keep an older car running longer, rather than buying a new one every few years. If I were to buy a new hybrid, I would have to drive crazy distances to save enough gas money to make up the cost difference between it and my '71 Satellite. In addition, it's not even clear that it would be good for the environment for me to do so.

Posted by tendiamonds on 2006-02-02 19:00:06 +0000
Do hybrids go faster than the speed of light?

Posted by tendiamonds on 2006-02-02 19:00:35 +0000
Are hybrids as big as whales?

Posted by buzzorhowl on 2006-02-02 19:09:45 +0000
Do hybrids dream of electric sheep?

Posted by tommy on 2006-02-02 20:50:19 +0000
Have hybrids gone... up to the sky? Things like that drive me out of my mind.

Posted by tgl on 2006-02-02 21:38:47 +0000
Black Sabbath? Help me on this fagen.

Posted by cdubrocker on 2006-02-02 21:46:58 +0000
I googled to find it. Is that cheating? I'm wicked bad with lyrics.

Posted by Null Protocol on 2006-02-02 21:53:26 +0000
Ive got me a car its as big as a whale and Im about to set sail. Ive got me a Chrysler, it seats about 20 so hurry up and bring your ozone depleting gas money!

Posted by tommy on 2006-02-03 14:08:19 +0000
VU/Lou Reed. My car's "love theme"

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