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Posted by tgl on 2008-03-10 01:18:55 +0000

NYTimes.com: Geek Love

The Wife wanted to post this diagram that accompanied this article. But, because she didn't spend any time in the basement playing D&D, she doesn't know how.

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-10 04:01:43 +0000
It's true. Every bit of it.

Posted by virtue on 2008-03-10 13:47:30 +0000
Oh, Vin Diesel. This diagram reminded me that I have never been to a renaissance faire. Also, while I have never taught myself pascal, I do still have the textbook that I borrowed from the Highschool with which I was going to teach it to myself. By then all the cool kids had moved onto C+ and were playing with fractals, and my plan went the way most of my grand plans that involved persistent effort at things that don't come easily to me have gone. If only it were all as easy as Logo.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 13:51:50 +0000
I don't understand a word of this. Does this mean tgl & do8 are gonna rescind my nerd certification?

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 15:06:09 +0000
Of course not! This chart only applies to boys. We should make one for girls. "Free to Be, You and Me" should be on it, someplace.

Posted by virtue on 2008-03-10 15:12:48 +0000
What am I, chopped liver? A boy?

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 15:16:29 +0000
And something about doing double-homework for Economics class so you could casually pass it on to the cute guitarist in your high school's punk band, who never did his homework (and never asked you out). Um... or maybe something slightly less specific.

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2008-03-10 15:17:06 +0000
Oh, dear, sexist G lib, how wrong you are. It is very much unisex.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 15:17:56 +0000
A gender revolutionary! An Amazonian warrior! Joan Jett in spectacles!

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 15:20:38 +0000
If it's unisex, it's for straight men and lesbians. Note the "GIRLS" circle. Where's my "BOYS" circle, hm???

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2008-03-10 15:28:26 +0000
Note the Vin Diesel box. Please, you cannot have it both ways pamsterdam: calling virtue a "gender revolutionary" who is very much hetero, and then saying "it's for straight men and lesbians", which it might be, but you've contradicted yourself.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 15:34:10 +0000
Vin Diesel is totally icky. But moving on... Don't be so binary, CC. Virtue, by identifying with something which is clearly intended for straight boys, *is* a gender revolutionary. Gender is - in the mainstream - defined in binary terms, whereas in real life (real time) it is fluid and organic. Straight men and lesbians are solely romantically/sexually interested in "girls". Those are but 2 possibilities on an endless continuum of gender identities. By using the term "girls" and by not including the binary opposite "boys" or even rejecting binary gender and inserting "sexual experience" or "sex", the makers of the above illustration limited themselves. I didn't do it for them.

Posted by mahatma chani on 2008-03-10 15:40:46 +0000
Just throwing it out there: One of the better clues I've come up with lately is "Pictures of pussies on the Internet" for LOL CATS.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 15:41:35 +0000
i heart mc

Posted by ConorClockwise on 2008-03-10 15:44:50 +0000
I'm the one not being binary. Don't be so sexist pamsterdam. Is it "clearly intended for straight boys"? And again the Vin Diesel box and "marrying Harry Potter" boxES must also be looked at. Is it for gay boys? Because you say it's not for straight women. I think that the redness of the Girls box got you. Perhaps you should open your mind a bit.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 15:46:59 +0000
Whatever. My eyesight's going and I love a good argument. Anyway, you need to wash your mouth out, mister "red girls box". I'm disappointed in you, young man. For shame. Tsk.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 16:07:08 +0000
If this isn't tgl and dye in HS, I don't know what is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmgLOKRl5J0&feature=related

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 16:08:37 +0000
Bite your tongue, G lib - tgl & do8 were way cuter.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 16:12:40 +0000
Oh, my god, I think this is the funniest thing I've ever seen. here's episode 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP3GYdrW450&feature=related

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 16:55:12 +0000
I guess what CC is saying is that the person who made the chart must have been intending to include *gay boys* as well, because s/he included vin Diesel and marrying harry potter. I'd go for this. Because frankly, I don't know any girls who this would appeal to either of these (except for the Amazonian Honar the Librarian)

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 16:56:26 +0000
Maybe in HS, but middle school?

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-10 17:37:38 +0000
I'm not sure if me and tgl ever played D and D in middle OR high school.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 18:20:45 +0000
Late bloomers, eh? I actually was referring to your cuteness in that last comment, but that might not be entirely fair, because no one is cute in middle school. (In all honesty, my ulterior motive was to get dye to post the picture of himself that lives on the H3W fridge.)

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-10 18:28:17 +0000
Lemme give the scanner a shot. Hold on --

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-10 18:37:52 +0000
L:

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 18:44:24 +0000
That's the one! Jesus, do8, you were a damn cute kid. Any chance of getting the senior (high school) portrait up too? You know the one - in full Eagle Scout regalia? :o)

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-10 18:46:10 +0000
All my Eagle Scout pix are at the folks' house, alas -- next time I'm there I'll snag some of the more embarrasing ones and post 'em.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 18:49:35 +0000
Awesome! Buddy pics with tgl are strongly encouraged as well.

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-10 18:54:10 +0000
I am enjoying the hell out of the videos, BTW.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 19:39:28 +0000
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 19:48:03 +0000
Gay pr0n!

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 19:46:03 +0000
I think I may go home and watch the whole series.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 19:49:21 +0000
We should totally have an embarrassing picture day. I'll go to my parents' house and pick up a few from the Perm Era (tm).

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 20:01:59 +0000
He is so disgusting! All muscles and hair. Give me a riot nrrrd any day of the week - woo!

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 20:03:04 +0000
I love you, G lib, but there is no way in hell anyone on Rideside will ever see what I looked like between ages 11 and 19. Ever.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 20:03:25 +0000
Seriously, ew. And I don't even mind the muscular-- I've even dated a few.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-10 20:04:20 +0000
Wimp.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 20:11:48 +0000
Oh my God - this isn't tgl & do8 in high school, it's me and Emily Franzosa. We had a vampire clan, too! Except we were called MOD (Minions of Darkness) and hung out at Fox Run Mall. And obviously we knew nothing of D+D, apart from the fact that boys seemed to really enjoy it and from what we gleaned from discussions on the subject, it was a kind of re-enactment of Harlequin romance novels set in medieval times.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-10 20:15:22 +0000
Please, I prefer the term "wuss".

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-11 00:20:26 +0000
This thread was the impetus, BTW, to listen to the AG's today.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 05:26:26 +0000
I still brag about being in the drummer's trigonometry class. Ran into Jon coming out of the Friendly Toast a few years ago, and he told me he now writes a baseball column for a Mexican newspaper. I have no idea if it was true or not, but regardless - that's so them.

Posted by dyedon8 on 2008-03-11 06:33:01 +0000
I think it's true -- I check in on his flickr page.

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 10:34:22 +0000
L: I just remembered that I once overheard the cute guitarist I used to give Economics homework to referring to us as "The Minions of Dorkness". Ouch.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-11 12:37:09 +0000
NO FREE HOMEWORK FOR YOU, SIR!

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 12:52:39 +0000
Ugh, he had a George Harrison smile - he got free homework pretty much regardless. Maybe that's when I started liking boys who were mean to me... :o) But to be fair - my friends had found out about my huge crush and had started teasing me, calling him "Bubba, son of Cable Guy" (he was vaguely slack-jawed and there was a CableVision van parked outside his house most days) to try & shame me out of liking him, but I still thought the sun shone out of his behind and didn't care if his dad ate garbage for a living. At some point before the "Minions of Dorkness" comment he'd walked up to me and my friends and said - to me! - "By the way, the CableVision van's my brother's - my father's a nuclear physicist at Seabrook." and walked off down the hall. I was utterly, utterly crushed. And hated my friends. Almost through 'til the end of 6th period.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-11 12:58:44 +0000
He cared what you thought... He liked you! Did he hit on you when you saw him at the pretzel stand?

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 13:00:51 +0000
L: I'm not equating working for CableVision with eating garbage - that's just the worst job I could think of (eating garbage for money). In retrospect, it's totally bizarre that my friends would have thought that the profession of a guy's father would have any bearing whatsoever on my fancies...

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 13:08:45 +0000
G, I am ashamed to tell you that your post just made me BLUSH. This is someone I had a crush on almost 20 years ago. When I saw him at Pretzel Time at the Fox Run Mall (which was probably 10 years ago), all I did was all I ever did when I saw him in high school - stop dead in my tracks, go weak at the knees, stare at him, open my mouth, and say absolutely nothing. I think I might have managed a wan smile and a vague "maybe I'm waving at you but maybe I'm swatting an invisible fly" motion. And then I ran away. Anyway, he totally didn't like me. He was super-hot and super-funny and played guitar and I was this gothy dork who followed him around, giving him copies of punk bootlegs and Economics homework - both of which I "just happened" to have lying around.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-11 13:17:08 +0000
nom nom nom.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-11 13:25:00 +0000
What, you never watched the Breakfast Club?

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 13:25:40 +0000
Is that you eating garbage? HA!

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 13:28:16 +0000
Only, like, a million times. Remember that guy Dave I dated? The abstract painter / ice cream man? He once - out of the blue - turned to me and said, "You know what, Pam? You think you're Ally Sheedy, but you're really Molly Ringwald." I was SO offended. Anyway, I was Anthony Michael Hall, and he winds up with nobody.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-11 13:39:59 +0000
How dare he say that! That's just plain evil. You should have told him to take your diamond stud earring and shove it where the sun don't shine!

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 13:43:04 +0000
Ha ha ha! No, the worst was when he showed me one of his new (keep in mind - abstract) paintings and asked me what I thought of it, and I said, "It makes me feel kind of uneasy... angry, really. It gives me a feeling of discontent and... barely contained rage." And he goes, "Nope. You're wrong."

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-11 13:47:28 +0000
"It's all rainbows, glitter and hello kitty. What are you a dummy? Can't you see that!?!?!?" Did you actually think the paintings were angry, or did you just make it up on the fly? Or were you projecting your thoughts about him onto the canvas?

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 13:49:58 +0000
Hahaha! No - it was a huge canvas - wall-sized - covered with layer upon layer of blood-red and charcoal-black oil paint, basically making the wall look like a close-up photo of someone who had been burned to death and was still bleeding out. And the brush-strokes really did look violent.

Posted by G lib on 2008-03-11 13:57:01 +0000
And what was it supposed to portray?

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 14:01:14 +0000
You know, I don't remember. :o)

Posted by tgl on 2008-03-11 14:30:00 +0000
Since I doubt nuclear physicists actually work at commercial power plants, I did a Google Search for jobs at Seabrook and felt lucky to find the following website: http://www.nukeworker.com

Posted by pamsterdam on 2008-03-11 14:40:14 +0000
If he was lying, that hallway confrontation was even more upsetting than I'd thought. Aiyiyi.

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