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Posted by dawnbixtler on 2005-09-12 21:19:46 +0000

OK, we've all known that the Bush administration lies all the time. But now that GOP insider David Brooks admits that the White House knows it lies, is this somehow more truthful? Or can the press now say (as they should have before), "Well that is just Bush lying again." I am not encouraged by this. As many of you know "truth" is something I hold very dear (except for laughs). Will the administraion be hurt by this? Or will we the country just let it pass? I'm sick...

Posted by tgl on 2005-09-12 21:36:09 +0000

Aw, come on! It's just "Bush being Bush". You gotta love it!

Posted by pchippy on 2005-09-13 00:10:58 +0000

What do you mean, "truth"? Why the ironic-pomo-hedgeyerbets-disclaiming quote marks, dawn? Do you hold it so dear and yet not want to go on record as believing that it exists?

Posted by G lib on 2005-09-13 00:22:47 +0000

PChippy is NOT a moral relativist. Many of us view 'truth' as something that is pretty changeable. PChippy doesn't believe so. Rideside Ref, are you going to come in here, tweet, and make moral relativism move to a different thread than politik? Godddamn! ________________ --It's MY goddamn wedding! Fuck you!

Posted by pchippy on 2005-09-13 10:38:40 +0000

Well, the thing is, dawn DOES care about the truth, which is why he gets so passionately involved in political discussions. I suspect he really just wanted to avoid sounding like he thinks he's more honest than the rest of us, and so he added the extra punctuation in order to temper his claim. If that's the case, it's quite modest of him, actually. I feel certain that truth exists, and that it's not flexible or subjective in its essence. But as in the Indian parable of the blind man and the elephant, nobody can apprehend the truth in its entirety or with perfect accuracy. Some people's "truth" will be more complete or accurate than other people's, and no human authority is capable of reliably and consistently judging between them. All we can do is wrangle about the things we care about, and hope in so doing to bring ourselves and each other closer to a complete understanding of the truth. That process will have to involve some addition (i.e., assimilation of new ideas when we recognize in them the ring of truth) and some subtraction (i.e., rejection of our own ideas when we come to recognize them as erroneous). dawn is one of my favorite crusaders for truth, whether he knows it or not.

Posted by Rideside Ref on 2005-09-13 17:51:02 +0000

Moral relativism is number one.