"Curt Shilling is a prick and a traitor" -Marble column on Fleet Bank, Harvard Square
Posted by G lib on 2004-11-03 14:26:40 +0000
Where does he live? Let's egg his house.
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Posted by tgl on 2004-11-03 14:41:34 +0000
You all are nutty. Schilling paraded around NH, which went Kerry. Are we really going to blame Schilling for a possible Bush victory in Ohio b/c he blurts out "Vote Bush" at the end of an interview on Good Morning, America?
Posted by G lib on 2004-11-03 14:44:57 +0000
Excuse our knee-jerk reactionary emotional outbursts. I think you need to cut us some slack, TGL.
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Posted by tgl on 2004-11-03 14:46:09 +0000
Sorry, I guess I got most of mine out last night after some "liquid democracy" and too many hours of W. Blitzer & CNN.
Posted by G lib on 2004-11-03 14:47:23 +0000
Plus, even though I know it's unlikely, I'm still not ready to concede.
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Posted by Miriam on 2004-11-03 15:02:40 +0000
It's someone else's graffiti...I was just pointing it out.
Posted by tgl on 2004-11-03 15:14:20 +0000
C'mon Miriam, Rock The Vote! Get yr. (spray) can out there!
Posted by Miriam on 2004-11-03 15:24:37 +0000
It was more of a Sharpie scrawl. There was a follow-up graffiti on the next marble column that said, "Curt Shilling and the Yankees Suck." I learned my graffiti lesson in 5th grade when I wrote that some jackass was a jackass on the last girls' bathroom stall. A friend ratted me out as the perpetrator, my folks got a note from the principal, and I wasn't punished because I was just trying to warn the girls not to date that particular jackass.
Posted by G lib on 2004-11-03 15:45:53 +0000
From Miriam, calling me from the Bus:
On the shuttle bus to Longwood from Harvard Square:
A big orange construction sign on the road that says "Squeeze Right"
(and she thinks that the country just has-- Maybe Ohio will squeeze left)
Love Miriam!
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Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-03 16:05:12 +0000
Only a tremendously stupid populous would vote based on what sports "heroes" suggest... however, we're talkin about a populous that just strongly favored MFGWB... hmmm stupid begets stupid.
Posted by bizquig3000 on 2004-11-03 16:59:07 +0000
You know guys, I don't mean to be a prick, but weren't you praising a lot of celebrities who were supporting Kerry?
Posted by tgl on 2004-11-03 17:10:05 +0000
Not me. Alec Baldwin? Please.
I don't believe I've ever lauded any public figure for their public support of one candidate or the other.
I don't believe I've criticised any public figure for giving public support for either candidate. If that's what you're getting at, I'm ready to defend the Schillings and the Springsteens for speaking their mind. That's more than can be said for some people.
Posted by rladew on 2004-11-03 17:43:05 +0000
so you've had other brushes with the law besides that time we were waiting for you @ the Cambridge Police office after the Garrison show?
:)
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Posted by frame609 on 2004-11-03 17:44:50 +0000
Curt Schilling made like an extra $15 million b/c of the World Series- of COURSE he's pro-Bush. Plus, he's Alaskan!
Posted by rladew on 2004-11-03 17:49:14 +0000
Speaking yr mind as a person is one thing (If Bruce Springsteen or Schilling as US citizens for example), but I feel that using yr status you've earned in another avenue and using said status to garner up votes is kinda slimy. I would argue that most people, if they are being honest, don't watch Baseball for Schilling's political philosophy nor do they listen to Glory Days or Born in the USa or whatever becase they are concerned or wanting to get more informed about politics...
I know we've been over this before, and I defend any speech as well as TGL, but my point is I dont have to like it and I can call it slimy and tactless if I choose to and I do.
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Posted by frame609 on 2004-11-03 17:51:08 +0000
Not one person on this board has talked shit about Theo campaigning for Kerry either.
Posted by tgl on 2004-11-03 19:31:45 +0000
"Born in the USA" is explicitly an anti-Vietnam, pro-veteran, anti-war song though. Or is it a call to buy Chevys? The songwriter is motivated by politics in a way that a baseball player might not be.
Let's agree that celebrities are slimy and tactless, did their opinions help any in pushing Ohio for Bush? (or against Kerry)?
Posted by tendiamonds on 2004-11-03 19:50:38 +0000
Theo is god.
Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-03 20:22:15 +0000
Theo is not an athlete...
Posted by frame609 on 2004-11-03 22:02:28 +0000
Theo is just as bad as Schilling, no matter which candidate they endorsed. Athlete or not, they used their status.
'Born In The USA' was used by Reagan in I think '84. What does that say about the 80's and its voters?
Posted by rladew on 2004-11-03 22:15:33 +0000
I would argue that I, while not a huge Springsteen fan, have at least a little familiarity with the content of Springsteen's lyrics, more so than a casual top 40 classic radio casual listener might have. My point about 'Born in the USA' is this: a song that is so ingrained in popular culture elicits a memory of what you were doing or who you were with when it originally came out, as well as just being a "hit" song in general which will be popular for more reasons we will ever know.
Just like I dont advocate Beating on a Brat with a baseball Bat or "Kicking the Bitch in the Tummy" as Ice Cube so poignantly suggests, I still dig on those tunes immensely. To suggest that a majority of people made Springsteen popular BECAUSE of his politics is tenuous at best.
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Posted by frame609 on 2004-11-03 22:21:32 +0000
I've never been a great fan of Springsteen, really- a few singles and the ever-sexy 'Nebraska' and I'm all set. However, it's been my expereince that a certain type does dig Springsteen because of his politic...he started his career as a sorta hardscrabble tough luck tell-it-like-it-is guy that endeared him to the working class. As he's progressed, a lot of his fans have as well, I think, to the point where they can easily afford his ticket prices. I might not be doing a good job explaining this, but I think he attracts a certain kind of listener.
Having said that, I think that Reagan used 'Born In The USA' out of context in '84, and that the kind of jarheads that heard 'USA' in the title and thought it was like a patriotic pro-American anthem weren't fans anayway.
Was '...USA' his best-selling album?
Posted by tgl on 2004-11-03 22:38:41 +0000
Not my suggestion. I know you don't appreciate the song for it's lyrics, but it's not what the song says about us, it's what it says about it's creator.
Springsteen's lyrical content is political, that's all. It should come as no surprise that he might voice his politics in a public forum considering that politics seems to be a motivating factor for some of his work.
It's more surprising that P. Diddy suddenly became a "political actor". Not so surprising that he failed...
more on lyrics
Posted by frame609 on 2004-11-03 22:43:41 +0000
I totally appreciate the lyrical content of the song for what it is- a comment of the jingoism that kept us from getting out of Vietnam, and the adverse effects thereof. The chorus is base irony.
What I'm saying is that once his song/politics were put out there, the intent of Springsteen, the creator, was negated by Reagan using it. Nothing wrong with being political per se- it's always been funny and sad that the song was being sung by the kind of chuckleheads that Springsteen was presumably singing about (kinda like when all the jocks picked up on Nirvana.)
Posted by tgl on 2004-11-03 22:48:00 +0000
I can't believe were saying the same thing.
Forget the song. I don't care about the song or how popular it made Springsteen or how Reagan malapropriated (sp? word?) its meaning.
Springsteen is obviously skeptical of war, this has been known since the '70s. Springsteen is politically active enough to write a pop song around his political sentiment. To exclaim: "Oh my! A celebrity that would us his fame to get his message across!" is a bit short sighted.
Posted by frame609 on 2004-11-03 22:54:14 +0000
I think we're talking about the same thing, to a certain extent.
Using pop to get a political point across is nothing new- not as visible now as it used to be, but the late 60's, certainly, with Vietnam and Kent State and all made such things fairly common. I'll go out on a limb and say that Springsteen's early stuff, if not directly influenced by such songs, was at the very leats informed by it, and that his early audience identified with the whole hardscrabble bit that I mentioned before.
It's just not as common now as it used to be.
So yeah. We agree. I think.
Posted by rladew on 2004-11-03 23:20:34 +0000
I hate that you guys think I dont like political music. I do. I think its very powerful, and I also see Springsteen's politics as genuine and thoughtful, probably powerful to many of his fans.
I guess I just feel dirty / icky with any musician, regardless of their political leaning when they join an official political club. Im thinking of that (I think) Groucho Marx quote about how he wouldn't want to join any club that would have him as a member.
In my eyes, its one thing to voice political dissent / disagreement, but another to become part of a commercial for a specific candidate.
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Posted by uncle on 2004-11-04 09:15:38 +0000
I am generally amused by the frequent denunciation of entertainment figures by generally the right wing, such Laura Ingram's "Shut Up and Sing." This from the party that brought us Reagan and Schwartzenegger and which takes many of its cues from Heston. To quote Christopher Lloyd "Ronald Reagan?!! The actor?!!"
I believe in free speach, and I believe that if you have a platform to get your message out, then do it. I see no reason to believe that Bruce or Bono are any less suited to the Presidency then Bush. They certainly have more experience fighting for political issues. Bush exited the failed business scene to enter politics years after both of them started talkin' political smack.
Posted by rladew on 2004-11-04 13:45:41 +0000
Im praying here that Bono is a born citizen of Ireland. On a complete non-political note, I would hope that he NEVER wins presidency based on the FACT that he fronts the most IRRELEVANT band on the planet. see the new Ipod commercial where we get his nasally yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah spiel for an example of what Im talking about.....
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Posted by tgl on 2004-11-04 14:59:41 +0000
uncle has a good point about celebrity. Springsteen is showing up at Democratic political rallies, Schwarzeneggar parlayed his fame into a governorship.
Yeah, yeah, Ahnold has policies and was elected. Would Lou Ferrigno have done as well?
Posted by tgl on 2004-11-04 15:00:50 +0000
I get a dirty / icky feeling when anybody joins a political club.
Posted by dawnbixtler on 2004-11-04 17:51:40 +0000
Um, Ahnold has no policies. "I am for children, I am for schools. I am pro-woman." No one knows what that means...
Posted by frame609 on 2004-11-04 18:15:23 +0000
His early appearances in porno films kinda prove that he is indeed pro-woman.
Posted by uncle on 2004-11-04 18:24:24 +0000
And pro anal
Posted by Miriam on 2004-11-05 15:29:30 +0000
It actually said "Curt Shilling is a two-faced prick and a traitor."
On the phone booth about 30 feet away from that were the phrases: "Bush is a Nazi" and "Neocons are Fascists."
I think this is all so interesting. What amazes me is that there are so many close-minded "intellectuals" here in the northeast who insist that they have the correct way of thinking, rather than make the case for the rest of the country to think about our interests instead of whether or not God loves us.
Posted by tgl on 2004-11-05 15:36:22 +0000
This graffiti is definitely not from the "homeless" punk rockers who hangout in The Pit in Harvard Sq.?
Posted by rladew on 2004-11-05 15:44:40 +0000
Right there with ya Miriam. If you make the T shirt, I'll buy it and wear it.
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Posted by tgl on 2004-11-05 15:47:01 +0000
"Vote your interests, not God"
Is that the t-shirt?
Posted by rladew on 2004-11-05 16:27:13 +0000
I think so.... I dont give a rats ass for Bush's social agenda
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Posted by tgl on 2004-11-05 16:29:15 +0000
Well, ask you shall receive. (The agenda, not the t-shirt).